actually... Hussein models himself after Stalin. He has a library of books that follow Stalin.
http://www.newsbatch.com/iraq.htm
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The only argument I see against not going is that some of our soldiers will lose their lives as will innocent Iraqis......but thats war my friend. People don't sign up for the military just for the uniform. They sign up to serve their country and thats what they will do. I don't see any reason to give Saddam any more time. Hes had 12 years for christs sake. We give less of a chance to one time murders in our country. Saddam has murdered thousands. These are the people he is supposed to represent and work for. I have over and over again given examples of why we should go. All you've said is that we shouldn't and its because America is evil. If America was evil things would be turned around. Bush would be gassing thousands of Americans and playing games with inspectors. Instead of most of the world ready to support America invading Iraq it would be the world and Iraq invading the US. I don't see that happening. Until the US starts killing thousands of its own citizens, blackmailing other countries with weapons of mass destruction, and defying years of inspections I think that US is the more honorable nation.
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And if you really believed half the crap you talk about then you would be outrraged and trying to get the media to listen to ur conspiracy theories. You know everyone would laugh you out of the country if you tried to tell them the President knew and even planned 9/11. If he did everyone would know. If there was the slightest bit of evidence then there would be a coup attempt in the United States of America. It didn't happen! All you are is a conspiracy Theorist that for some psychotic reason WANTS that to be true. If you REALLY thought the government was killing its own citizens just to go after Arabs you'd leave this country and go somewhere else. If this country was responsible for 9/11 the whole world would find out and we'd be the ones being invaded and pressured from the UN. Its not happening that way. It would be known. Other countries spy on us just like we do them. It would be known about. End of story!!!
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happeninfish wrote:i just would be interested to see what happened if the UN deemed the states "unstable" and "unfit to run themselves", and demanded complete disarmament, and tried to take down the government and replace it with one of their choosing. I bet the US would just lie down and take that, wouldn't they? Just like they expect Iraq to? Oh wait, one thing I forgot... the USA is the only country that counts and they have a right to rule the world. My mistake.
I've said this before, the US is destroying its stockpiles of chemical weapons. There's an incinerator at an army depot near where I live to dispose of the stuff.
As far as nuclear weapons goes, well, that's why it was a non-proliferation treaty instead of disarmament. Several other countries have nuclear weapons capability, and that's fine.
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your country has killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people. so just shut up already before you embarass yourself anymore
Other than in wars what innocent people are you talking about? Please enlighten me to these mystery people.
Also Star Wars isn't a chemical, biological, OR nuclear weapon so you're embarrassing urself by bringing that up. The Son of Star Wars are just missiles that INTERCEPT nuclear weapons fired AT the United States and your country for that matter. You may thank us for Star Wars one day.
Okay, so we withdrew from an anti-ballistic missile treaty because Russia wouldn't agree to the changes we needed for the Star Wars program. According to some old articles I dug up, back in 2000 the US justified its Star Wars project by referring to the danger allegedly coming from "rogue states" such as North Korea, Iraq and Iran. Putin said that such a threat "is not going to emerge in the visible future." We were right about North Korea, and it looks like, if things had developed in a slightly different order, Russia and the US would have been able to work it out.
If the nations that we used to justify the Star Wars program are dealt with, I might agree that we shouldn't continue to develop it. But until then, we were right about the threat that nations like North Korea could pose, and if the world is going to allow these countries to develop these weapons, it's laughable that they would want to stop any country from trying to develop a defense against it. If that's the way things are going to be in this world, Venom's right about the UN being irrelevant. But that's just me.
If the nations that we used to justify the Star Wars program are dealt with, I might agree that we shouldn't continue to develop it. But until then, we were right about the threat that nations like North Korea could pose, and if the world is going to allow these countries to develop these weapons, it's laughable that they would want to stop any country from trying to develop a defense against it. If that's the way things are going to be in this world, Venom's right about the UN being irrelevant. But that's just me.
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here is just one example venom
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... 64,00.html
how about those canadian soldiers you blew to bits?
and need i remind you how many innocent afgans have already lost their lives in this senseless battle? the numbers of dead afgani total more then the number of amerikans who lost their lives in the WTC attacks.
hundreds of thousands of iraqi lost their lives when the sanctions where in place.
amerika kills. so does iraq. neither are right. and the war will accomplish nothing. if you were an iraqi you'd probably hate the US too.
just watch your arsehole president invade n. korea next, and then why not china after that? why not the whole damn world? after all, the usa is #1! why should there be any other countries?
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... 64,00.html
how about those canadian soldiers you blew to bits?
and need i remind you how many innocent afgans have already lost their lives in this senseless battle? the numbers of dead afgani total more then the number of amerikans who lost their lives in the WTC attacks.
hundreds of thousands of iraqi lost their lives when the sanctions where in place.
amerika kills. so does iraq. neither are right. and the war will accomplish nothing. if you were an iraqi you'd probably hate the US too.
just watch your arsehole president invade n. korea next, and then why not china after that? why not the whole damn world? after all, the usa is #1! why should there be any other countries?
Doug E Fresh wrote:how about those canadian soldiers you blew to bits?
Yeah, a couple pilots who were informed that there might be friendly troops in the area and shot when they were told to wait. They deserve the harshest punishment they can get.
Doug E Fresh wrote:hundreds of thousands of iraqi lost their lives when the sanctions where in place.
Yeah, they couldn't import what they needed from the US. Why couldn't they get it from another country? Oh, yeah, they were UN sanctions.
Doug E Fresh wrote:just watch your arsehole president invade n. korea next, and then why not china after that? why not the whole damn world? after all, the usa is #1! why should there be any other countries?
Why not China? Why not the whole world? It's absurd, that's why. The US keeps feeding money to North Korea so they will stop developing certain weapons, and they keep screwing us. Should we just do that again?
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this may be completely off topic but i thought i'd add a few things
if america is such a better place then Canada how come Canada has ranked higher in best places to live since well...............a very long time. Also i seem to remember Canadians being bombed by trigger happy americans
.............. We can also hold a election and actually apoint the winner as our leader.........despite health cares short commings i still think it is a good thing. Sorry if that was very disjointed and was in no way relevent to the last page of comments sorry i stopped reading
if america is such a better place then Canada how come Canada has ranked higher in best places to live since well...............a very long time. Also i seem to remember Canadians being bombed by trigger happy americans
.............. We can also hold a election and actually apoint the winner as our leader.........despite health cares short commings i still think it is a good thing. Sorry if that was very disjointed and was in no way relevent to the last page of comments sorry i stopped reading"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
sorry again i know america is a great place to live over all in the world but i always considered Canada to be America with some commonsence and without the ego. the worlds kinda like a school yard, Canada being the sensible laid back kid, and america being the immature, spoiled kid, that acts as one of the schoolyard bullies. unfortunatly the bullies ussually don't make many friends and mostly everyone hates them.
sorry again i meant that in the best of ways, i'm not sticking up for iraq or trying to completely bash america, it just seems they come off that way, or at least you can see why other countries get annoyed with over zealous americans
sorry again i meant that in the best of ways, i'm not sticking up for iraq or trying to completely bash america, it just seems they come off that way, or at least you can see why other countries get annoyed with over zealous americans
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
actaully that would probably be more mature........."How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
Doug E Fresh wrote:how about those canadian soldiers you blew to bits?
and need i remind you how many innocent afgans have already lost their lives in this senseless battle? the numbers of dead afgani total more then the number of amerikans who lost their lives in the WTC attacks.
hundreds of thousands of iraqi lost their lives when the sanctions where in place.
amerika kills. so does iraq. neither are right. and the war will accomplish nothing. if you were an iraqi you'd probably hate the US too.
just watch your arsehole president invade n. korea next, and then why not china after that? why not the whole damn world? after all, the usa is #1! why should there be any other countries?
i can understand the anger for the canadians that were killed, and i hope those men responsible are given a full punishment.
the rest of the statement is just absurd. this is war, and shit happens in war. deal with it. alot more innocent people were killed in the world wars in an even alarming rate then what the article says. with the introduction of smart bombs, that number can be curved dramatically but it still happens. iraqi people died because of the sanctions because their goverment refused to cooperate with guidelines set up by the world. don't blame the U.S. because some moron can't follow rules. that just shows that sadam cannot take care of his people and that he's not fit to rule. when he gets stubborn and refuses to cooperate with what the world tells him, his people die because of it. it's his fault, he brought these sanctions on his people but he doesn't care. your damn right were going to invade n. korea too, but that's going to be after talks. what we're going to do is trade the bombs that north koera makes and in return give them food. that country is starving probably because they have another leader who doesn't lead but just rules with an iron fist. another stubborn guy who ultimately starves his people because of his ideals. that's all north korea wants, they'll sell those bombs to who ever they don't give a shit, all they want is money and food. this is just a barganing ploy.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
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Reno brings up very good points! Iraq has had 12 years....something has to be done to end it. In my opinion however we're not gonna invade North Korea pre-emptively. I have a strong feeling that they are gonna try and take advantage of our situation in Iraq and will either attack us while we're in Iraq, or attack S. Korea and our troops there. N. Korea knows we're not gonna play their game anymore either and will try and play dirty. They know the only way they could even compete with our military is to pull a Pearl Harbor type move. That government really scares me. They want attention, money, and food from us and they're not gonna get it. They are the spoiled brats and will lash out if they don't get their way.
n. korea has said they will attack pre-emptively if the amerikans don't stop sending troops over there.
you pro-war types can say what you will about n. korea and iraq and how they're a danger to the world, but so far of the three nations involved in these conflicts only one is seeking to further it's agenda through the use of force.
amerika.
suppose the koreans do attack pre-emptively and force the amerikans out of the area. do you honestly believe they will follow up on that attack by invading the us?
because i don't. i have never seen evidence to suggest that they will. and the same goes for iraq.
you pro-war types can say what you will about n. korea and iraq and how they're a danger to the world, but so far of the three nations involved in these conflicts only one is seeking to further it's agenda through the use of force.
amerika.
suppose the koreans do attack pre-emptively and force the amerikans out of the area. do you honestly believe they will follow up on that attack by invading the us?
because i don't. i have never seen evidence to suggest that they will. and the same goes for iraq.
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N. Korea would attack the States, and yes they are doing it to further their agenda. They can't feed their own people and so they have to blackmail us with nuclear weapons. They want food and oil so that their country doesn't go down the toilet and they think they can use the threat of force to get a charity package from the US. I'll tell you right now its not gonna happen. We have not sent any more troops over there in years. We have had thousands of troops ever since the Korean war because of the Norths refusal to accept S. Korea as its own country. This case is even more clear than the Iraq one. America didn't want this war. This is the Koreans trying to take advantage of a situation and its not gonna work. You think them threatening America with nuclear war is America's fault??
amerika DOES want this war.
i'm well informed on this war as well, and the issue here is not food and oil, it's weapons. as usual, the us wants to be the only one who has any bombs. if i were n. korea, and my nation had been named as a threat to world safety by a nation that acts as the hand of god, i too would want to build weapons of mass destruction as a means to defend myself.
i'm well informed on this war as well, and the issue here is not food and oil, it's weapons. as usual, the us wants to be the only one who has any bombs. if i were n. korea, and my nation had been named as a threat to world safety by a nation that acts as the hand of god, i too would want to build weapons of mass destruction as a means to defend myself.