In terms of capital punishment, how would you definite the word "effective" in ways that can be measured and described OBJECTIVELY?
My term paper depends on this......and this is the one, single element that I seem to be stuck on. Any insight would be greatly appreciated since I have until next week.
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I did a paper that touched brifely on capital punishment and the only conclusion that I could come to is that is has no measurable gain and that its extreamly inefficient. Its impossible to prove that a single crime has ever been prevented with capital punishment.
I don't think thats helping though.
I don't think thats helping though.
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call me andrew wrote:in countries without capital punishment, violent crime is lower.
Congratulations.
Now prove a causal relationship between the two.
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i'd personally rather be executed then spend my life in jail. Could someone reveal to me how capital punishment prevents any crime? all i see it doing is costing us more money, letting the criminals get out easy, and also bringing up several religious conflicts
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"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
look what I started......I was just looking for an OBJECTIVE meaning to the word "effective" as far as punishment is concerned
the only way capital punishment can be effective is when it's a public specticle. for these very reasons:
1. it embarasses the family that this person is from. it will only take one public execution for other violent criminals to not wish humiliation on their families or survivors.
2. it's inhumane. taking a needle and going to sleep sounds pleasant. standing on a chair and getting it kicked out from under you while you dangle from a rope is not pleasant and.
1. it embarasses the family that this person is from. it will only take one public execution for other violent criminals to not wish humiliation on their families or survivors.
2. it's inhumane. taking a needle and going to sleep sounds pleasant. standing on a chair and getting it kicked out from under you while you dangle from a rope is not pleasant and.
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if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
I agree. I think that's the only way to deter people from commiting executionable crimes. I don't think it could ever happen here though, as it seems as though North Americans are against such rituals occuring in third world countries.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
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"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
you'll see the end of capital punishment before you see public executions in the US.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
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well the thing is, capital punishment is not really a deteriant for any crimes. I mean obviously the United Stated still enfources the rule (even though a lot of states don't) but they have the highest prision rate as well with 2 million prisioners.
That doesnt seem very effective to me...
That doesnt seem very effective to me...
-Sarah
Goodbye you liar,
Well you sipped from the cup but you don't own up to anything
Then you think you will inspire
Take apart your head
(and I wish I could inspire)
Take apart your demons, then you add it to the list.
Goodbye you liar,
Well you sipped from the cup but you don't own up to anything
Then you think you will inspire
Take apart your head
(and I wish I could inspire)
Take apart your demons, then you add it to the list.
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well the thing is, capital punishment is not really a deteriant for any crimes. I mean obviously the United Stated still enfources the rule (even though a lot of states don't) but they have the highest prision rate as well with 2 million prisioners.
That doesnt seem very effective to me...
Its not effective because after someone is sentanced to death it takes 5-10 years before they are ever executed. Its seriously flawed. If someone is sentanced to death they should not be able to drag it out forever. If they wanna appeal they should have to do so within 6 months and only once. That way they aren't sitting in jail eating away at my tax dollars while playing the system to keep themselves alive.
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even if they are in prison for years on end before they are actually put to the death penalty, people are still dying from it. And that isnt preventing people from commiting crimes. I don't see what your tax dollars have to do with effectiveness.
-Sarah
Goodbye you liar,
Well you sipped from the cup but you don't own up to anything
Then you think you will inspire
Take apart your head
(and I wish I could inspire)
Take apart your demons, then you add it to the list.
Goodbye you liar,
Well you sipped from the cup but you don't own up to anything
Then you think you will inspire
Take apart your head
(and I wish I could inspire)
Take apart your demons, then you add it to the list.
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care to argue against my points Venom instead of critisizing the system you believe in furthering?
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
Venom wrote:Its not effective because after someone is sentanced to death it takes 5-10 years before they are ever executed. Its seriously flawed. If someone is sentanced to death they should not be able to drag it out forever. If they wanna appeal they should have to do so within 6 months and only once. That way they aren't sitting in jail eating away at my tax dollars while playing the system to keep themselves alive.
I have to say that I freakin COMPLETELY agree with you here, Venom. Friends and I have conversations relating to what you said above quite often.
Not only does the death penalty kill me, but so does the welfare system in this country (especially NY state). But I know that would involve a completely different thread, so I won't even begin to discuss.