"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
Well first do you think Mr. Good believes in a global community? No nation-states, just one big "world community". I don't listen to his ramblings so I don't know if he supports that, but its the impression I got. If not then I don't have as much of an issue with what he said.
not nessesarily, he just considers himself part of a bigger picture known as the world, therefore what happens in the world is his business
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
therefore what happens in the world is his business
OH REALLY?! Sounds a lot like George Bush's view on the world. Hmmmm. Its just that GW and American know they can't do everything alone. Somewhere along the way other countries need to help out too. Last I looked the US gave Africa more than double what the whole EU gave them last year.
Venom wrote:Last I looked the US gave Africa more than double what the whole EU gave them last year.
Do you have proof for that? I remember reading somewhere that Holland alone spends more than the US on aid for third world countries. Might be just relatively though.
it's diffrent when your commenting on world problems and working thruogh amnesty international, and when your off invading countries
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
venom - so your only objection to that statement is the apparent hypocrisy demonstrated by matt good? in that he is apparently anti-globalization, but yet says he views himself as a citizen of the world
eelco - what unit is that chart in? is that a representation of the dollars given by each of the countries or a represenation of the percentage of their GDP?
blue eyed soul wrote: eelco - what unit is that chart in? is that a representation of the dollars given by each of the countries or a represenation of the percentage of their GDP?
that's relative to their GDP, absolute the US and Japan spend the most, but according to the organisatioin the quality of the aid is low and it is the smallest percentage of their GDP.
yeah, after doing a bit more research, i'm afraid i'm going to have to call that "commitment to aid development index" for what it is, and that is basically an organization pushing it's agenda and trying to make it look factual/scientific.
the <i>only</i> thing that matters <i>in real life</i> is the dollar amount given. everything else is irrelevant. this chart is based on the common misconception that say, 1 billion dollars is not a lot of money when you have 90. this is not the case. 1 billion dollars is the same amount whether it comes from 1 multi-billionaire, or a thousand smaller donors.
the us does more then it's share when it comes to foreign aid.
meh but i also consider it respectable who's actually trying to help, the small amount we see come from one country might be alot to them. at least these countries are helping, and comparitivly they're doing more of their part to help the world. Bill gates can afford to gives away thosands to charity without noticing the loss, but when someone poor gives away $100, i would respect that more
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
Corey wrote:When your GDP is pathetic, the contribution is insignificant.
These are the 21 richest countries in the world, their GDP's are not pathetic. They're mostly smaller countries, with less people, so less total income.
A billion may be a billion, but if you give a higher percentage of your total income, that's more significant. Besides it's not just about how much you spend, it's also important what you do with it. And the US seems to be lacking in that department.
I already said the US is the biggest contributor, in amount of dollars, but that's because they also have the most money, the purpose of the chart is to show how much they spend relative to what they could spend. And the quality of the aid from the US is low, I don't know exactly what that means and I don't feel like looking it up, because it's pretty subjective and doesn't really matter.
On another note, why should countries pay for aid in rebuilding Iraq, while they didn't even agree on the war in the first place (Holland did by the way). Clean up your own mess. Don't expect France and Germany to pay up now. They probably will anyways because they care about the people in Iraq, in contrary to the US who only intervened because their own safety was in danger. And once the threat of terrorism settles down again they'll leave Iraq and won't bother about what happens next there.
And once the threat of terrorism settles down again they'll leave Iraq and won't bother about what happens next there.
You couldn't be more wrong. The US will do everything in its power to keep another democratic state in the Middle East. We aren't gonna work as hard as we are just to let it go to waste in 2 or 3 years!
In relation to your graph, like people have already said that is in my mind a propaganda piece. The US (as you did admit) is the biggest contributer in foreign aid period! I could care less about the percentage of GDP. The US also spends the most on thier military because half of the world depends on it for their own defense!! If these countries paid for their own defense America would even have more to give and would make the gap in aid even larger. Just admit that I was right when I said we give the most. Swallow your pride and move on to something that can be debated.
