http://www.reuters.com/printerFriendlyPopup.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=3852897
Great speech today! Strong words for the utterly useless UN. I love how "hundreds of thousands of protestors" were promised but only 1,000 to 1,500 showed up! LOL The estimates of these protesters always makes me laugh.
Oh and I almost forgot my favorite statement. He threw an insult at France making reference to thier stance on issues today to that of their view of Wilson's 14 points for peace. We know what their refusal to embrace the 14 points and the League of Nations led to now don't we!
Maybe Bush's best speech to date!!!
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For those of you who missed it here is the link to the transcript.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,103514,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,103514,00.html
How long is the September 11th card going to be played?
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
hmmm i'm just about to read it, but by best speach ever i assume he didn't make up any words and neglected to be insulting AND misinformed?
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
Re: Maybe Bush's best speech to date!!!
They put alot of them in jail that had been in trouble for protesting/treason in the past before Bush came to town. haha. I know this for fact as my best friend is from the UK and his friend was arrested. He streaked when the Queen was doing a speech and was arrested for treason and is now marked every time someone of power comes to speakVenom wrote:http://www.reuters.com/printerFriendlyPopup.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=3852897
Great speech today! Strong words for the utterly useless UN. I love how "hundreds of thousands of protestors" were promised but only 1,000 to 1,500 showed up! LOL The estimates of these protesters always makes me laugh.
Oh and I almost forgot my favorite statement. He threw an insult at France making reference to thier stance on issues today to that of their view of Wilson's 14 points for peace. We know what their refusal to embrace the 14 points and the League of Nations led to now don't we!
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How long is the September 11th card going to be played?
How long did people use the Holocaust and Communism? Its todays version of an atrocity. It was what started with War on Terrorism. It is an epochal event that changed the world as we knew it. What is your problem with making reference to it. Do you deny that its a devastating historical event? Should we stop talking about history after it happens? Where are you comming from with this? He also pointed out all the other terrorist attacks since then as proof that its not stopping.
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(easy cheep shot)
Is this his best speech because he didn't make up any words this time?
Is this his best speech because he didn't make up any words this time?
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Goodbye you liar,
Well you sipped from the cup but you don't own up to anything
Then you think you will inspire
Take apart your head
(and I wish I could inspire)
Take apart your demons, then you add it to the list.
Goodbye you liar,
Well you sipped from the cup but you don't own up to anything
Then you think you will inspire
Take apart your head
(and I wish I could inspire)
Take apart your demons, then you add it to the list.
Random Name wrote:(easy cheep shot)
Is this his best speech because he didn't make up any words this time?
Too bad you misspelled "cheap", and how this was already said.
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Venom wrote:How long is the September 11th card going to be played?
How long did people use the Holocaust and Communism? Its todays version of an atrocity. It was what started with War on Terrorism. It is an epochal event that changed the world as we knew it. What is your problem with making reference to it. Do you deny that its a devastating historical event? Should we stop talking about history after it happens? Where are you comming from with this? He also pointed out all the other terrorist attacks since then as proof that its not stopping.
The Holocaust killed 6 million people and the Ukraine famines orchestrated by the Communists killed even more. I believe something to the order of 3000 people died at 9/11, and without days, weeks, months, years of agonizing torture. Sure it was tragic, but worse shit happens EVERY SINGLE DAY. It just seems incredibly terrible to people on this continent because we are so sheltered from having the violence of the world on our home soil.
Frankly, your comparisons offend me.
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Venom wrote:How long is the September 11th card going to be played?
How long did people use the Holocaust and Communism? Its todays version of an atrocity. It was what started with War on Terrorism. It is an epochal event that changed the world as we knew it. What is your problem with making reference to it. Do you deny that its a devastating historical event? Should we stop talking about history after it happens? Where are you comming from with this? He also pointed out all the other terrorist attacks since then as proof that its not stopping.
You're not honestly comparing 9/11 to the Holocaust are you? Really, there's a HUGE difference.
Bush is just using typical political tactics; talk to the nation about that which they feel the most scared or sad about (for this generation, it would be 9/11). This is an easy way to get people to automatically think that the speaker is sympathetic towards them, and to convince them of their other points. I'm not saying Bush isn't sympathetic, but that Jim's comment was justified. Bush is playing "the 9/11 card".
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Every now and then I fall out into open air just to feel the wind, rain and everything.
And though the hum and sway gets me down, I'll find the way to peace and openness.
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Clearly, the attempt at ethnic cleansing and the burning of millions of Jews is just as bad as an overzealous asshole who paid a few guys to fly planes into buildings, killing 5000. Obviously.
I faced death. I went in with my arms swinging. But I heard my own breath and had to face that I'm still living. I'm still flesh. I hold on to awful feelings. I'm not dead... My chest still draws breath. I hold it. I'm buoyant. There's no end.
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There's no comparison between the Halocaust and 9/11. It's like night and day. I could probably find reports of more people being killed in the Congo on a daily basis than there were killed on Sept 11th.
We all agree that what happened is inexcusable, but shouldn't Bush be making every attempt possible to get the guy who did it, rather than countries who he alleges are dealing with him. The most powerful country in the world, capable of using it's satellites to zoom in on your nosehairs can't find one man. That's partially why they linked Iraq to Bin Laden anyways. If you can't get one guy, you might have a chance at getting the other. And wouldn't you know, they haven't even gotten rid of him yet. The 9/11 card has been played for too long. When is Bush going to admit this? Probably not till the book deal comes out after he gets booted from office in '04.
We all agree that what happened is inexcusable, but shouldn't Bush be making every attempt possible to get the guy who did it, rather than countries who he alleges are dealing with him. The most powerful country in the world, capable of using it's satellites to zoom in on your nosehairs can't find one man. That's partially why they linked Iraq to Bin Laden anyways. If you can't get one guy, you might have a chance at getting the other. And wouldn't you know, they haven't even gotten rid of him yet. The 9/11 card has been played for too long. When is Bush going to admit this? Probably not till the book deal comes out after he gets booted from office in '04.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
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When is Bush going to admit this? Probably not till the book deal comes out after he gets booted from office in '04.
LOL if Bush loses in '04 to one of those clowns on the democratic ticket you can send me your sock and I will film myself eating it and send it to the CM for everyone to see.
As for comparing 9/11 to the holocaust, etc I was pointing out that it is this generations epochal event. It is an event that has changed the world just as the holocaust did. It will mold the way the US and its allies approach terrorist activities and states who support them in the same way the holocaust did to the way the world dealt with leaders like Hitler. It has partially awakened the world to the horrors of terrorists and their supporters. Anyone who doesn't see 9/11 as such an atrocity offends me. Alex, telling me I offend you affects me not. Some of the hate that I have read of yours makes me wanna vomit. Your view on America is vile to say the least.
You called protesters for peace terrorist sympathizers, and ALEX is the one that is causing vomit?!
And Semptember 11th didn't awaken anyone to anything, and it should of. Instead of opening the eyes of those who DO live in lands of amazing wealths and benifits to the fact that war happens every day, and that we need to do something, we (the western world) is feeling sorry for itself because someone DARED attack us! See, we thought we were immune to the horrors of the world, and didnt need to do anything because it doesnt affect us.
Nope, not today. Now, now we think that everyone in the world should stop everything and nurse the wounds of the world's biggest super-power because they lost control for a couple hours. Sure, I do feel sorry for the families of those who died. Killing sucks, no matter how it happens. But I also am sorry for the families of those who have been murdered by other americans, those innocents who have been caught in the midst of war and have received no attention.
I'm sick of hearing about those 3000 or so people that died, when many many more deserve some attention, that's all. Excuse me, I've got to go hack up a lung now.
*prepares to be called anti-american, insensitive and hmm, let's throw in hypocritical while we're at it*
And Semptember 11th didn't awaken anyone to anything, and it should of. Instead of opening the eyes of those who DO live in lands of amazing wealths and benifits to the fact that war happens every day, and that we need to do something, we (the western world) is feeling sorry for itself because someone DARED attack us! See, we thought we were immune to the horrors of the world, and didnt need to do anything because it doesnt affect us.
Nope, not today. Now, now we think that everyone in the world should stop everything and nurse the wounds of the world's biggest super-power because they lost control for a couple hours. Sure, I do feel sorry for the families of those who died. Killing sucks, no matter how it happens. But I also am sorry for the families of those who have been murdered by other americans, those innocents who have been caught in the midst of war and have received no attention.
I'm sick of hearing about those 3000 or so people that died, when many many more deserve some attention, that's all. Excuse me, I've got to go hack up a lung now.
*prepares to be called anti-american, insensitive and hmm, let's throw in hypocritical while we're at it*
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You called protesters for peace terrorist sympathizers, and ALEX is the one that is causing vomit?!
When you protest the actions of one side it seems to be supporting the other. I haven't seen any Anti-Al Qaeda protests. Why not? People aren't appauled by Al Qaeda's actions. That is disturbing! Another attack today, AGAIN in Turkey. Its never gonna end unless we continue with the resolve we have showed thus far. Sitting back and doing nothing like the protestors want isn't gonna stop the terrorists. We have to be proactive. If not what in the hell is your plan?! Sitting back and allowing it to happen isn't an option. Its cowardice. It makes me feel great sympathy for people who feel that way. As Bush said sometimes the use of force, however horrible it can be, is necessary to stop evil.
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Let me ask all of you anti-war people a couple questions.
#1. Do you think it was right for the world to sit back and allow Hitler to murder hundreds of thousands of Jews before anyone did anything about it? And when they did it was only because they were being attacked.
#2. Do you think it was right that the UN sat back and did nothing about the actions in Bosnia, Kosovo, Croatia, etc? If you look back it was the US that led the decision to defy the UN and go in there as well. Was that wrong?
You all claim to be against death by force, but you allow things like the above to go on until its too late. Go ahead bring up Africa, but remember that no one else is going into Africa either. You can't stop everything without the help of the world. Threats to the whole world come first when only a handful of countries have the resolve to do anything at all!
#1. Do you think it was right for the world to sit back and allow Hitler to murder hundreds of thousands of Jews before anyone did anything about it? And when they did it was only because they were being attacked.
#2. Do you think it was right that the UN sat back and did nothing about the actions in Bosnia, Kosovo, Croatia, etc? If you look back it was the US that led the decision to defy the UN and go in there as well. Was that wrong?
You all claim to be against death by force, but you allow things like the above to go on until its too late. Go ahead bring up Africa, but remember that no one else is going into Africa either. You can't stop everything without the help of the world. Threats to the whole world come first when only a handful of countries have the resolve to do anything at all!
Venom wrote:Let me ask all of you anti-war people a couple questions.
#1. Do you think it was right for the world to sit back and allow Hitler to murder hundreds of thousands of Jews before anyone did anything about it? And when they did it was only because they were being attacked.
No. Besides, Hitler killed millions, not hundreds of thousands. The world didn't just do something because they were being attacked. The US did. But the US is not alone in the world, although a lot of Americans do seem to think so. England, France and Russia were already fighting the nazis. War was inevitable, because Germany had a huge army and could only be stopped by force.
Venom wrote:#2. Do you think it was right that the UN sat back and did nothing about the actions in Bosnia, Kosovo, Croatia, etc? If you look back it was the US that led the decision to defy the UN and go in there as well. Was that wrong?
It was wrong to defy the UN and make the decision to attack Iraq on it's own. Because it undermined the UN, it makes it totally useless. Which it may possibly be, but it's the best we got at the moment. By ignoring the UN the US has set a bad example that gives other countries the idea that it's alright to attack other countries if they think that's the right thing to do. If Israel attacks Palestina because they don't agree with the Palestian leaders that would be the same as the US attacking Iraq. Maybe that's a bad example because you probably think Israel should kill all Palestians, since some of them are terrorists. But would it also be alright if Germany would attack Holland, because they don't like our policy on drugs or other issues. Who decides what is right and what is wrong? Not the US. The UN should.
Venom wrote:You all claim to be against death by force, but you allow things like the above to go on until its too late. Go ahead bring up Africa, but remember that no one else is going into Africa either. You can't stop everything without the help of the world. Threats to the whole world come first when only a handful of countries have the resolve to do anything at all!
The world has sat back for too long. But force won't solve the situation. The way to stop terrorism is not by bombing countries and killing many innocent people. It should be done by catching the leaders, punish them severely and give the people a chance of a better future. Invest in education and economies. Bombings only increase the anti-western hate and causes more terrorist attacks. Instead of spending billions on arms and armies, give some money to third world countries, take away their debts, give their people a chance to a proper education and a proper future.