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Today France announced that they will not let Iraq get away without paying them back the debt that they owe from Saddam's regime. I find this very ironic and funny seeing as France owes us about $11 Billion from post WWI and WWII. With inflation that number becomes MUCH larger.

France doesn't owe the US anything. That was a gift from the US, to help Europe's economy, so the US would have power over Europe. And if they wouldn't have helped Europe out the US could never have become the superpower it is today. They would have nobody to buy their goods, so giving that money to France and other European countries actually made the US richer in the long term.

However, I agree that it is ridiculous that France sets such demands. Now they're punishing a country for the fallen regime that they weren't exactly happy about themselves.

one thing i always wondered Venom....

When they were playing the Chirac and Saddam video on repeat accross your country, which was from 1970 might i add, did they lose the video of you VP giving Saddam the key to teh city of Detroit...........

Well I've never seen THAT one but there are videos of Rumsfeld with Saddam. Can you give me the source of the one you're talking about? Its common knowledge that the US supported Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war, until Iraw used chemical weapons. That is when the US distanced itself from Iraq. They were considered the lesser of two evils before that, just like Afghanistan was during their war with Russia. There are countless instances throughout history of ALL the "major" countries in the world supporting a country in that manner NOT just the US. You anti-war people love to bring it up but every country does it!

i'll try and find that source for you, and the PRO-war people liked to bring up Chirac and Saddam so i guess they're even eh?

If you want to call it even fine I'll semi-agree with that, but when was the last time you heard about the Chirac thing? Everyday I hear crap about how the US supported Iraq 20 years ago. Let it go! Unless we gave them the chemical weapons it doesn't hold much water (which we didn't!). However it is worth noting that France built the nuclear powerplant that Saddam planned to get his nuclear material from.

it's also worth noting the money america poured into the country and the amount of biological agents you sent them

Venom wrote: You anti-war people love to bring it up but every country does it!

Logical fallacy: "Appeal to Common Practice"

it's also worth noting the money america poured into the country and the amount of biological agents you sent them

SAMPLES from the CDC because they claimed they needed them for legitimate scientific study. We did not know that Saddam was gonna use them to kill his own people and threaten his neighbors. We sent some to Canada too, so I guess if your government starts gassing its people we'll have to regret that too.

LMAO CANADA?!?!? We don't even have a death penalty. Why the hell would we, one of the most mulit-cultural countries on earth, be gassing people? It sure as hell isn't for our extensive military programs Not to mention Canada has LONG history of legitamate medical research. Sure it's not to say we're angels our country has it's own share of skeletons in our closet (War Measures Act) (Native Residential Schools) but i woudl hardly consider us to be anywhere near being in the same leauge as Saddam. Are you trying to tell me your country was completely oblivious to what Iraq would use them for? There's no way in hell your country was that incompetent, they had a damn good idea what Saddam was all about.

There was nothing to suggest that Iraq was going to use these samples to create biological weapons. Iraq had never used WMD at that point. My point was that there was no reason to suspect that they would use them for that purpose just as we wouldn't suspect Canada too.

btw, there still is no evidence that Iraq used them to make biological weapons

america knew what kind of man he was getting ivolved in and as i said you can't compare canada's record to saddams, even if they didn't know about saddam, that still comparing canada's good record to a unknown mans

Clumsyboy wrote:our country has it's own share of skeletons in our closet (War Measures Act) (Native Residential Schools)

(Japanese Internment Camps)

btw, there still is no evidence that Iraq used them to make biological weapons

Unfortuantly I think you're wrong. I remember either hearing or reading a report that their anthrax strains can be traced back to a company in the US (Virginia I think). It'd be good to find out that I'm wrong because it would then prove that the US didn't contribute AT ALL to Iraq's WMD, but I don't think that is the case.

I hate to admit that you're right but you could very well be here. I didn't think there was proof that the anthrax attacks were from Iraq (and I kind of forgot about that attack and was just thinking about the war, were the americans still haven't found biological weapons, the primary reason they started the war in the first place). I still don't think there is bulletproof evidence, but there seem to be some strong links and indications, so it would be naieve to still think Iraq had nothing to do with it, or at least I can't proof that they didn't have anything to do with it. So I retract my previous statement.

hmmm i thought they figured out that chances are it's from within teh states. Just like the old mail bomber. plus if your going to do something like that, what better time? you know damn sure they're not going to suspect you

That's what I thought too, but I've found a lot of articles, from different sources that indicate that Iraq did have something to do with it. We'll probably never know for sure.

Maybe Saddam and Chirac were as close as some said

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102908,00.html

How was Saddam caught in a fight between two superpowers? France and America weren't acting hostile towards eachother untill America tried going after Saddam, at the very least it was France trapped.