Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq

mosaik · Post by **mosaik** » 7/15/2003, 10:19 am

Here's a poll!

I want some hard answers from the warhawks. The rules of this debate are as follows: You can't use "At least we got rid of EVIL SADDAM" as a defense for the war.

Now. Let's hear everybody's side of it. There are no bombs, or at least, nobody can find any significat evidence of the weapons programs that were supposed to exist. That was never a good reason to invade but it seemed to pacify most of you, so let's hear what you think.

Are there bombs or programs to build bombs? will they be found? and if they're not, WHAT WILL YOU THINK?

Bandalero · Post by **Bandalero** » 7/15/2003, 10:32 am

there are componets for a WMD program scattered all over the backyards of Iraq, we have to turn up every rose bush to find them.

mosaik · Post by **mosaik** » 7/15/2003, 10:37 am

well it's taken you guys forever to turn up even scraps of "evidence" so my question is, how could such a disorganized and shoddy program be efficient in creating these weapons? and was the original argument not that Saddam in fact already had WMDs in his possesion?

Bandalero · Post by **Bandalero** » 7/15/2003, 10:42 am

a scientist of this program already came out and said he's got nuke componets in his back yard. he also said that other scientist are looking at how the US military is treating him so they can come out with their possessions. they don't want to be tried as war criminals.

mosaik · Post by **mosaik** » 7/15/2003, 10:47 am

when? i never heard that.

did you read it on CNN?

Bandalero · Post by **Bandalero** » 7/15/2003, 10:54 am

yeah dude this was like a month or more ago. the guy showed some piece of metal to the cameras and said it's from the old program. he was told to bury it in bis backyard and that when the embargo war lifted to dig it up again. he had it buried under a rose bush, that's why i used the little post thingy before.

Sufjan Stevens · Post by **Sufjan Stevens** » 7/15/2003, 11:32 am

Maybe the weapons were moved to Iran, so we can attack there and look. Then we'll find out that the weapons were moved over to Syria, so we should take them out. Then who knows where the weapons are moved to after that, but surely a country that has done America wrong in the past.

big_green_monkey · Post by **big_green_monkey** » 7/15/2003, 11:37 am

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Corey · Post by **Corey** » 7/15/2003, 2:38 pm

I believe it is possible that currently no WMDs exist in Iraq. That has not been proven yet, and such weapons could still exist.

However, there is no doubt in my mind that a weapons program existed based on the evidence I've seen and that the production of WMDs were imminent.

Neil · Post by **Neil** » 7/15/2003, 2:42 pm

Exactly, I had to do a structured debate on whether or not Saddam should have been overthrown a LONG time ago for what he's done to the public, his actions, and also the suspection of WMD.
I have NO doubt in my mind......whatsoever.......that it was only a matter of a short time before the war began that WMD programs will still being operated. I do recall Powell showing rather hard proof (pictures, audio) before a hearing not long before the inspectors came back in Iraq.

Do I believe the coalition troops will find anything? There I would have to say no, if they do find anything it seems that it will not be anything huge or completely damaging. I believe Saddams understudies got the crap outta there in time. If the WMD proof exists, its no longer sittin around in Iraq.

mosaik · Post by **mosaik** » 7/15/2003, 3:11 pm

now you guys, i never saw any hard evidence that the programs existed. I saw forgery, misdirection, double speak and hollow statements from US politicians.

and i can hyperlink to my sources.

Iraq was never a threat to the US. The aftermath of the war proves it. if i'm wrong, somebody show me the pictures.

Neil · Post by **Neil** » 7/15/2003, 3:17 pm

I'll try to get some..........but you're gonna have to gimmie some time because I don't recall the sites that I found the pictures, offhand.

The pictures I've found ARE debateable, but none the less show stuff.

mosaik · Post by **mosaik** » 7/15/2003, 3:21 pm

while you look, let me put it this way: there's no evidence that he actually had bombs. There's hardly any reliable evidence showing he had the means, manpower and capacity to make some.

honest to goodnes.. you think he was a threat to the USA?

Neil · Post by **Neil** » 7/15/2003, 3:27 pm

To the U.S. - no, at least not directly at all

But a THREAT overall, perhaps...........but honestly the motive to attack Iraq depleted fast over the years.

made to heal · Post by **made to heal** » 7/15/2003, 9:38 pm

i have no doubt in my mind that there were NO WMD.. Its funny how the US can make the world believe anything..Its also funny how they put Sadam in power and also how they lied about these "WMD" being able to be put into action in 24 hrs...

undecided · Post by **undecided** » 7/15/2003, 9:51 pm

I took an American History class this past simester and we always would talk about current events and my teacher, who is very smart, told us that US soldiers found several burial sites with thousands of bodies in them after the war was over. He said that these bodies were 2- 12 years old and that peoples families were digging through them looking for their loved ones. He said that they were filled with people who had not followed Suddams rules or people he did not like. I know this is not WMD but if Suddam was killing his people for things like this then I think Bush had a reason to attack even if it was not his main purpose.
undecided

Neil · Post by **Neil** » 7/15/2003, 11:51 pm

thats very true...........while going off the reasoning of WMD i'm of course totally up in the air, there WERE other reasons why Saddam needed to be banished.

His freakin whack ass son Uday beat the shit outta Iraqi children on a daily basis.....not to mention that the whole "oil for food" program was so whacked out I could talk your ears off for a straight day about that.

mosaik · Post by **mosaik** » 7/16/2003, 8:48 am

neil! remember the rules... we won't go into the reasons Saddam needed to go, we're focusing on the WMD speculation

Back to the topic - they lied about iraq. your government lied about iraq. they've been making shit up since before the war. they lied during the war. they're lying now.

they made up a phony reason to go to war - with a bad guy granted - and they invaded a country and killed 6,000 people. as for saddam being bad, well, all politicians are bad. i've made that point a hundred times on this board.

the apathy of the american public is a little shocking. the fact that the president lied or relied on false intelligence is now all over the news... and yet most of you could care less.

made to heal · Post by **made to heal** » 7/16/2003, 8:55 am

exactly...it's a big deal and most seem to ignore it.

mosaik · Post by **mosaik** » 7/16/2003, 9:00 am

here's a nice editorial to read:

http://cnn.usnews.printthis.clickabilit ... nerID=2004

note the source: cnn.

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