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Iraq War: what do you think now?

Posted: 6/18/2003, 9:49 am
by mosaik
Let's use the great amerikan instrument, the tool of all !FREEDOM!, independance and JUSTICE......!!!!!

let us now use the almight POLL to determine what people on this message board think of the "War on Iraq" a few months after the conflict has officially ended.

Posted: 6/18/2003, 9:54 am
by Sufjan Stevens
Well, seeing that I am the second vote on here, apparently I agree with you. There's no way around it, the American people, for the most part, embarassed themselves. If they could find a missle or a rail gun, then maybe this could be justified, but we found nothing at all.

And to think, I almost let myself get sucked in by the propaghanda.

Posted: 6/18/2003, 9:54 am
by mosaik
please feel free to justify your answers, by the way. we already have a yes voter.

Posted: 6/18/2003, 9:55 am
by mosaik
yep. basically, the whole thing was made up! and iraq is an absolute hell hole right now - they're worse off now then they were w/ Saddam.

Posted: 6/18/2003, 10:38 am
by Corey
I could care less if they find WMDs. I'm just glad to see that madman Saddam out of power, so things like this never happen again:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/c ... 785095.stm

Posted: 6/18/2003, 10:42 am
by liam
i say we did many positive things... sure we lost lives, but what could we do. What i don't understand is how people can be against Liberating Iraq, and trying to get Iraq some god damn money and freedom.

Posted: 6/18/2003, 10:52 am
by mosaik
Corey, four or five threads under this one is a thread titled "us clouds civillian deaths".

read it.

i think this is a case of the pot and the kettle and the calling of one another black.

Posted: 6/18/2003, 11:39 am
by Sufjan Stevens
The fact of the matter is that it's not America's business to fix everyone's problems. We can't go to each country that may or may not want liberation and take out their leaders. What America is doing is not much different from what the Nazis did back in the 1930s, except for the fact that America isn't saying they want to take over the world like the Nazis did.

I just wish we would go back to an isolated state, and actually stay out of everyone else's affairs. We're not the answer to all problems, and we're not going to stop until we have another fuck up like Vietnam.

So Liam, what we could do is let everyone live their lives. If the Iraqis really wanted freedom that badly, wouldn't there have been massive uprisings by the people? All we did was go into their land, blow it up, kill lots of people, completely change the lifestyle they were accustomed to, and allowed them to loot the country. Where's the good in that?

Posted: 6/18/2003, 11:50 am
by mosaik
Fully agree with the Nazi comparison, as well as the concept of isolationism.

Posted: 6/18/2003, 1:37 pm
by I AM ME
anyone that chooses the last is actually the true danger to our society. To many people are ignorant, and follow blindly, those that follow blindly are a blight upon all of society and in a democratic society are of no use to us. At least corey has beliefs, and when you have beliefs you can make judgements on your own. When your ignorant you only give power to the corrupt.

Posted: 6/18/2003, 2:00 pm
by happening fish
They killed Saddam? That's news to me.

Posted: 6/18/2003, 2:02 pm
by mosaik
well who knows if they did or not? i just put it in there for kicks.

Posted: 6/18/2003, 2:13 pm
by Corey
For Your Lungs Only wrote:If the Iraqis really wanted freedom that badly, wouldn't there have been massive uprisings by the people?


Yup, there sure would be... 12 years ago actually and they were slaughtered.

Posted: 6/18/2003, 2:26 pm
by mosaik
no different from what your government did everytime they smelled a revolt.

waco, ruby ridge, etc etc.

Posted: 6/18/2003, 2:28 pm
by Bandalero
For Your Lungs Only wrote:I just wish we would go back to an isolated state, and actually stay out of everyone else's affairs. We're not the answer to all problems, and we're not going to stop until we have another fuck up like Vietnam.


does this include the money we give around the world for AIDS research, economic stimulants, and the money for defense packages?

Posted: 6/18/2003, 2:42 pm
by mosaik
it does for me. you can keep your money if you keep your bombs. sound fair?

Posted: 6/18/2003, 2:49 pm
by Bandalero
heh, that would be nice. it just doesn't work in a globalized economy. but of corse you have your theories about that too.

Posted: 6/18/2003, 3:06 pm
by mosaik
damn right i do. good theories, proven ones, by nobel prize winning economists.

Posted: 6/18/2003, 3:25 pm
by Corey
"proven theories" ... isn't that an oxi-moron?

Posted: 6/18/2003, 3:26 pm
by Bandalero
money talks...bullshit walks. your always going to find people that believe this.

nobel prize :roll: didn't they give sharon one of those? that's like Gabriel marquez Garcia winning the pulitzer prize for a book about incest and witchcraft.