long angry rant about stuff.

[mosaik]

sorry but i have to get this out someplace.

i've just returned from watching a war movie called "Tears of the Sun" where a bunch of Holy American Souls assist a group of defensless refugee's whose demockracy has been overthrown in escaping from their nation. the amerikans also save a pretty white woman.

i am not going to bitch about the usa making another movie that portrays it's soldiers in the best possible light because i believe that there are many men in the american army who are just like the ones that were made up in the movie.

in the movie you have this peacful african nation that is turned on it's head by a military dictator. this raises one of my big questions and i'm aiming it straight at those of you who believe in government.

why in the blue bloody blazes would anybody want to run a country? why would somebody want to go well beyond the realm of logic, rational thought and humanity and slaughter a whole bunch of other people just to be called "president" or "mein furher" or whatever the bullshit title is? why why why why why? why would you run for office?

i'm 20 years old, i'm well adjusted, smart and good looking. Even with all those gifts i still have a hard time managing my own shit. i would never presume that i could manage your shit too. what's more, i know it's none of my fucking business what you do. i don't want to be your boss, i just want to run my own life in my own way. why do any of you want any different? and why do you want help running your lives?

government has never helped me manage my shit. all government has ever done for me is give me more shit to manage. if you have a different view, i want to hear your story, but before you tell it be prepared. because it better be a good story, i'm tired of hearing half-assed double-talk.

now let's talk about the other part of this military take over that bothers me: the killing. the senseless, needless, killing that goes well beyond the borders (again) of reason, logic and rational thought. i know sometimes force is the last option, i know that if a man is coming at you with a knife you have a rational right to turn that knife on him.

but what isn't rational is the bloodlust, and i see that on here. we've got a new member whose avatar looks like that.

that's bloodlust. that's going beyond even the ridiculous notion that war with iraq is "defending freedom". that's out and out war rage, that avatar shows an attitude that is not rational. it is not even human. i want to know why people in amerika support that kind of bullshit. i want to know why so many people on this message board see that thing and don't even think about the mentality (or lack theirof in this case) behind it.

why does venom want to go to war so bad? why does he want to go to war so bad that everytime somebody trys to point out a flaw with going to war he practically spits on his monitor with red-in-the-face rage:

"YOU GODDAMN ANTI-AMERICAN TOWEL-HEAD LOVIN' LIBERAL! I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU WOULD EVEN SUGGEST THAT BLOWING UP EVERY RUG RIDER IN THE MIDDLE EAST IS NOT LOOKING OUT FOR FREEDOM, INDEPENDANCE AND THE AMERICAN WAY!"

I know some of you who advocate the murder (and that's what it is, there's no sugar coating it) of all those american soldiers and iraqi troops believe that there is a logical just reason for going to war and not all of you are like venom.

but somebody, anybody, explain where his head is at to me right now before i lose it.

i have been an objectivist since January 2001. I've been an an-cap since about January 2002. That's not a long time but basically all i've done since i finished atlas shrugged was think about this shit. And i am at my wit's end and i need some help from you smart kids who love the government so much:

tell me why some people want to run the lives of other people. tell me why some people will do whatever it takes (read: murder) to obtain that position of power. and tell me why most people don't think the people who want to run the world and who will kill to get there are wrong. i need to know before i go crazy.

and if you're still reading this, congratulations man.

[One-Eye]

People want power because it makes them feel less like insignificant puny little creatures. It gives them a rush.

[Gimme_Shelter]

I HAVE THE POWER!!

haha

[Corey]

Some people just want to make a difference.

There's different ways to do this:
Create a cure for some illness
Establish an organization for some sort of group
Become a politician

[Johnny]

Isn't that movie supposed to be good?

[mosaik]

so. nobody else has any idea either.

[Brooklin Matt]

Hey Doug,

I think people assume power because of their ambition to create and control. And control they do, usually with an iron fist, and create destruction. It sounds like you want the world to see everything in your way........which would probably help......but I think a lot of dictators think that too.....you can't save people and making a difference is almost impossible. You could become a politician (something you seem to hate so much) or speak out and become a celebrity........that's something I hate. Damn American Idol and everything it speaks for!!

Human life means a lot less to other people......I think you know these answers are quite simple, but I know that you have a strong moral belief in objectivism which makes it tough for you to accept.

I agree about that Bush is war hungry, that there is a bloodlust and it is sickening. Americans scare me that way.......they are very defensive for peace but will act violently and assume a moral righteousness when doing it. I hope they get rid of Saddam, but I can see so many Iraqi's left out to dry after this......CNN doesn't show that part and it fucking gets me mad.

Anyways, I'm ranting too.............I'm glad you think about this stuff........just wish the grass was greener......

Why do you call yourself Doug Bin Laden?? For some reason that sounds out of character for you........I wouldn't call myself that......I guess i want to why you do??

[Endymion]

because it gets a reaction, I'm sure.

people never change unless they're forced to react.

[Brooklin Matt]

Thank god I missed Tears of the Sun...........I've been seeing cooler movies of late like Spider and Adaptation........

I noticed that people do not change and will step on your toes if you allow them.........I just got rid of a friend because he was just too stupid......I mean that in the meanest way possible......was untrustworthy, a liar......etc.....I ripped him up..........it felt good too...

[mosaik]

matt, i don't want the world to see things my way. i know that i don't know everything - that's my point.

nobody knows it all. the fact that we believe that a person has some mystic insight because their name was written on a balot is extremely un-nerving. our governors are not smarter then us, they don't know better, in fact i have pretty good evidence that one is a mother fucking lunatic.

i don't trust these people. i want to know why others do.

[faninor]

all government has ever done for me is give me more shit to manage.

Doug, I really don't believe that your government has never done anything good for you. There's a lot more to it than taxes and military. Don't you have public education? Roads? Doesn't the government subsidize businesses? Aren't there standards for products you buy? Laws to protect you?

[Bandalero]

my response rant:

I know some of you who advocate the murder (and that's what it is, there's no sugar coating it) of all those american soldiers and iraqi troops believe that there is a logical just reason for going to war and not all of you are like venom.

but somebody, anybody, explain where his head is at to me right now before i lose it.

the murder of soldiers and troops.... sorry man, but that's what they sign up for. Not to wash tanks, shoot blanks ar paper targets, or to get into shape. they are in the armed forces to fight for whatever the political big wigs say they have to fight for. that's their job, and if they're not doing that then they're practicing for the day that happens. now when you sign up for that job there is always a risk taken that there is going to be a war and that your going to that war, the chance of you dieing is there and failure to see that is just stupid on your part. you know what armies do because our history classes tell us what they did. they kill and if you go back long enough you'll find out that armies back in the day did far worse things then kill oposition troops. so they should know that if they sign up, the chance of dieing for your country is there.

now, looking at today's army, i can see that there are a few kiddos in there that signed up for money for college.......sucks to be you pal! first off army recruiters are evil and they don't give a shit about the people they recruit. that's right i fucking said it. they will flash slave wages in front of poor country kids and actually tell them you don't have enough money for college, we will give you money for college all you have to do is sell your soul to the US government. i know this because these recruiting styles were used on me and my friends. I didn't buy into their shit but alot of my friends did. My cousin the Salutitorian of my class bought into that because he knew he didn't have the cash for college. I kept telling him there's a scolarship comming for you soon enough, you don't need the navy, fuck em, i know there is something comming your way. he took an oath into the navy and two weeks later, a full 4 year ride at Univ. of Texas came in the mail. he had to cancel it because once you take that fucking oath your in and there is no turning back. there are many other ways to pay for college, loans, financial aid, scolarships, and other grants and what not. DON'T FUCKING EVER JOIN THE FORCES FOR THE SAKE OF MONEY, OR COLLEGE. NO MATTER WHAT THE BULLSHIT RECRUITER SAYS. If your joining make sure it's for pride,ego, and patriotism, not fucking money. I will always support my troops because a few there were sold a load of shit from a recruiter and they deserve my respect and support, but i will never forgive any recruiter ever for what they did to alot of my friends and those poor kids.

[areusad831]

i dont think recruiters should be at every single college fair, why? b/c they are not a college! They think giving out a free keychain and mug will get you to enlist in the army. I still get shit from the U.S. army that says "if you mail this card for more information about the army we will send you a free frosty mug" Yes I am going to join the military b/c they gave me a frosty mug.

[Corey]

Right on Reno. I don't like most recruiting techniques. I especially hate the "Screw your buddy" tactic. However, I support, honor, and appreciate what our soldiers do.

[mosaik]

first of all, when you join a drug cartel as an enforcer what are you signing up to do? shed the blood of innocents and other enforcers/gangs. when one of them evenutally shanks you in a dark alley, is your death not still a murder?

were the people you killed, innocent or otherwise any less murdered because violence is in your job description?

recruiters are an instrument that your government creates. talk to them about it.

[Bandalero]

first of all when you join a cartel, you know the consequences of it, you will go to jail, or even be killed by a rival cartel, therefore you sould be awaiting death and or imprisonment and try to avoid it at all costs. to think your going to get away with it is just stupid. that's why the government is always buying the highest tech equipment for their soldiers. when going to Iraq you should be weary of gas attacks and bio weapons, therefore you should bring a gas mask. secondly it probably is murder, but do you honestly think cops are going to give a shit about a dead drug cartel bodyguard...no.

you right recruiters are government supported, that doesn't mean you should listen to them.

[joe_canadian]

If this war were merely about stopping the slaughter of innocents in Iraq, I'd condone it. I don't particularly like the idea of America setting itself up as a sort of global police force, but I'd condone it. But with the ridiculous lengths that government is going to to become a near totalitarian global empire, it's just awful.

The American government is a power of itself, with its own agenda and far, far too much power. A handful of people thought up and want this war, for twisted reasons. The American people don't want this war, and they're making it clear. That government has ceased to be the manifestation of the will of its people.

[starvingeyes]

the deception surrounding this war is so thick you could cut it with a knife. how can you people actively support a government which has been caught lying to you repeadetly about matters of life and death?

it's amazing.

[Corey]

The American government is a power of itself, with its own agenda and far, far too much power. A handful of people thought up and want this war, for twisted reasons. The American people don't want this war, and they're making it clear. That government has ceased to be the manifestation of the will of its people.

You're wrong. The majority of the US supports the war. Stop listening to Liberal nonsense.

[joe_canadian]

Did the American people suddenly decide that Saddam had to be dealt with? No, the government essentially started giving Iraq funny looks, and now its off to war. A year ago, did you want Saddam deposed?