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Venom
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The only "thousands" of innocents we have killed is during war. Thats what happens when countries goto war. Innocents die. Its unavoidable, and in the case of the pilots that killed the Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan they will be dealt with so its not like the US govenment just lets things like that slide. I've come to the conclusion that ur anger towards America is fueled by jealousy, but I'm sure you won't admit that.
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my anger, if you can call it that, is fueled by a regard for human life and a respect for reason. amerikans demonstrate neither.
Regard for human life??? Thats what America is striving for. Did you read the links on North Korea that I posted? That is a country with no regard for human life and thats only one example of why they need to be dealt with eventually unless they fold as a country before that which I think the US is hoping will happen. Iraq is another country with NO regard for humen life. They have killed thousands of their own citizens with chemical and biological weapons and would have continued to do so if it wasn't for the no fly zones and the US's protection of the Kurds living there. The US has gone to Somalia to free a people under attack from rebels who were starving them. The US is sending BILLIONS of dollars to Africa to help fight the AIDS epidemic there when our own economy could use that money. Does that sound like disregard for human life???? Give me a frickin break here. You are so far from reality its sad.
insults are the tool of the idiot, my friend.
no matter how you want to slice it, your government murders and then lies to cover it up. all the big military initiatives taken from 1950-1990 by the united states & allies were to shut down communism, in other words, to force amerikan ideals on the world. thousands of innocent koreans and vietnamese lost their lives there.
the israel-palestine conflict is killing people on both sides. that's a war fueled by amerikan arrogance and money/weaponry.
remember who built up saddam hussein? remember why?
the war on terrorism is costing more and more afghans who had nothing to do with the WTC attacks their lives.
you want to talk about punishing your own? how about the war on drugs? the mccarthy era? the patriot act?
i'm not far from reality at all. i'm unplugged. i took the red pill. i'm living in the real world.
the matrix has you.
no matter how you want to slice it, your government murders and then lies to cover it up. all the big military initiatives taken from 1950-1990 by the united states & allies were to shut down communism, in other words, to force amerikan ideals on the world. thousands of innocent koreans and vietnamese lost their lives there.
the israel-palestine conflict is killing people on both sides. that's a war fueled by amerikan arrogance and money/weaponry.
remember who built up saddam hussein? remember why?
the war on terrorism is costing more and more afghans who had nothing to do with the WTC attacks their lives.
you want to talk about punishing your own? how about the war on drugs? the mccarthy era? the patriot act?
i'm not far from reality at all. i'm unplugged. i took the red pill. i'm living in the real world.
the matrix has you.
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the matrix has you.
LOL
I rest my case on the reality issue.
As for the spreading of American ideals: All America was doing in Vietnam and Korea was stopping the "norths" from invading and taking over the "souths". The "norths" were both Soviet influenced while the "souths" were US influenced. The Soviets were behind both of those wars. They wanted to spread thier ideals and put oppressive leaders in control of those areas that shared their views. The US was just preventing that from happening. If the views of the Soviets was the better form of government it would still be alive today. That fact is that totalitarianism infringes on basic human rights and people won't stand for it.
As for the Palestinian/Israeli conflict: That has been going an ongoing war since before the US was a country. The reason that the US gave Isreal money and weapons was because the whole region was against them AND because again the Soviets were supplying the Arabs. We were just equaling the odds. Again the US will not stand for imperialism. The Arabs wanted to eradicate the Jews.
As for the War on Terrorism: Have you heard any of the reports or interviews with native Afghan's? They are OVERJOYED that the US and the rest of the world for that matter has rid the country of the Taliban government. They are happy were are there liberating them. Why are we not supposed to help an oppressed people. Innocent people are going to die as a result. Its war. Its unavoidable. You have to understand that war is necessary to reach and end sometimes and its gonna come at costs. But the benefits far outweigh the costs as you can see in the faces of native Afghan's today.
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i guess you haven't seen the movie.
the matrix is a great, anarchist science ficiton film all about how machines/governments [ ie amerika ] fool the stupid and weak minded by creating a fantasy world that people like you want to believe in. that way you never even notice when you give away your freedom.
after reading your posts, i have no doubt in my mind that if Dubya came on CNN and said the sky was falling you'd believe him.
you have absolute faith in your rules. you have no desire to govern yourself. you willingly give over your soul, and for what?
amerika?
what in the fuck is amerika?
oh, of course it was the soviets who started all those wars. and it was the goddamn soviets who twisted your arms into giving the jews all those bombs. because lord knows your country has never shit the bed on anything, ever, right? amerika stands for freedom! yeah, right.
your perception is distorted. you're right about one thing, though. the united states won't stand for imperialism....
.... by anybody besides themselves.
the matrix is a great, anarchist science ficiton film all about how machines/governments [ ie amerika ] fool the stupid and weak minded by creating a fantasy world that people like you want to believe in. that way you never even notice when you give away your freedom.
after reading your posts, i have no doubt in my mind that if Dubya came on CNN and said the sky was falling you'd believe him.
you have absolute faith in your rules. you have no desire to govern yourself. you willingly give over your soul, and for what?
amerika?
what in the fuck is amerika?
oh, of course it was the soviets who started all those wars. and it was the goddamn soviets who twisted your arms into giving the jews all those bombs. because lord knows your country has never shit the bed on anything, ever, right? amerika stands for freedom! yeah, right.
your perception is distorted. you're right about one thing, though. the united states won't stand for imperialism....
.... by anybody besides themselves.
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Venom wrote:the matrix has you.
As for the Palestinian/Israeli conflict: That has been going an ongoing war since before the US was a country. The reason that the US gave Isreal money and weapons was because the whole region was against them AND because again the Soviets were supplying the Arabs. We were just equaling the odds. Again the US will not stand for imperialism. The Arabs wanted to eradicate the Jews.
actualy, you'll find that its the jews wanting to do the eradicating. in fact they're doing it today. every day, israeli bulldozers roll into palestinian territories and bulldoze palistinian homes, then they send the inhabitants to refugee camps, where they later "invade in search of suicide bombers" and kill hundreds. then they build homes for zionists. all of this is funded by american funds, munitions and political support.
and now its international security. the call of the righteous men.
"my country has never invaded anybody. we're irrelevant."
maybe, but lety's face it, canada doesn't have the trade towers, the statue of liberty, or anything else of that grand signifigance. canada has never been the main target of terrorists, because they are not the symbol of the free world like the US is (whether you like it or not it is.). canada has no expirience in anything the US has to put up with every fucking day. that's why you can consider canada not relevant. i wouldn't though. that's the definition of America, and it pisses off everyone else that we can let people do as they please where as they would rather hold themselves back by thinking tradionally and in an old world manner. traditional thinking in this day and age hurts your country. eventually you get desperate like n. korea and try something that is a threat to the free world. that's what happened to comunism. the system weakened in the face of capitalism and got unstable. when you have unstable people with nukes, that's not a good thing. thus the cold war and cuban missle crisis. the only reason that China can make comunism work today is that they have reduced the reliance on central planning. in other words, it's comunism with a twist of capitalism. mccarthy did his thing, no one else in the goverment backed him, in fact the president thought him insane. the US goverment removed him. i can hoestly say that yes, the US has fucked up, in fact they had camps during world war 2. there isn't a country on this planet that is the equivalent of mother teresa. that includes canada. Israel and Palistine have been fighting forever about religion, it has nothing to do with the US. the fact that the US supports Israel is the ONLY reason Palistinians hate the US. you cannot say someone is wrong by killing in the name of their god without pissing them off. the subject of religion is important to other people so much as to kill or die for it. it may not be what you would do, but the fact that people hold their gods in such high standing is both sad and admirable.
maybe, but lety's face it, canada doesn't have the trade towers, the statue of liberty, or anything else of that grand signifigance. canada has never been the main target of terrorists, because they are not the symbol of the free world like the US is (whether you like it or not it is.). canada has no expirience in anything the US has to put up with every fucking day. that's why you can consider canada not relevant. i wouldn't though. that's the definition of America, and it pisses off everyone else that we can let people do as they please where as they would rather hold themselves back by thinking tradionally and in an old world manner. traditional thinking in this day and age hurts your country. eventually you get desperate like n. korea and try something that is a threat to the free world. that's what happened to comunism. the system weakened in the face of capitalism and got unstable. when you have unstable people with nukes, that's not a good thing. thus the cold war and cuban missle crisis. the only reason that China can make comunism work today is that they have reduced the reliance on central planning. in other words, it's comunism with a twist of capitalism. mccarthy did his thing, no one else in the goverment backed him, in fact the president thought him insane. the US goverment removed him. i can hoestly say that yes, the US has fucked up, in fact they had camps during world war 2. there isn't a country on this planet that is the equivalent of mother teresa. that includes canada. Israel and Palistine have been fighting forever about religion, it has nothing to do with the US. the fact that the US supports Israel is the ONLY reason Palistinians hate the US. you cannot say someone is wrong by killing in the name of their god without pissing them off. the subject of religion is important to other people so much as to kill or die for it. it may not be what you would do, but the fact that people hold their gods in such high standing is both sad and admirable.
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if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
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the palestians are fighting for their lives.
The palestinians started this by getting together all the other Arab states in the region to eradicate the Jews. They aren't just fighting for their lives. Neither side is innocent here, and it is mainly about religion. Always has been. Religion is responsible for the majority of hate in this world. Christianity, Islam, Judism, etc. When its not religion is hatred of people who are free (jealousy).
ahem.
you think the world views the united states as a symbol of freedom? that's why the WTC was attacked?
so you believe that stuff the government, ahem, CNN says about "hating our way of life" and "wanting to destroy freedom"? that seems pretty ironic coming from the country that wants to paint the globe red, white and blue.
the world is not "pissed off" by your "way of life". amerika was attacked because you're the global bully. you're damn right your nation does what it pleases, but at everybody elses expense, and if any of the other countries on the planet should have a complaint....
bomb 'em. those ingrates. don't they know how much you're doing for them?
you're the biggest kid in the playground that pushes everybody else around, and has a self-righteous streak that blinds him to the reality of the situation.
it's got nothing to do with the "global symbol for freedom"
yeah, right. the global symbol for freedom that just happens to bomb & conquer everywhere you look.
you think the world views the united states as a symbol of freedom? that's why the WTC was attacked?
so you believe that stuff the government, ahem, CNN says about "hating our way of life" and "wanting to destroy freedom"? that seems pretty ironic coming from the country that wants to paint the globe red, white and blue.
the world is not "pissed off" by your "way of life". amerika was attacked because you're the global bully. you're damn right your nation does what it pleases, but at everybody elses expense, and if any of the other countries on the planet should have a complaint....
bomb 'em. those ingrates. don't they know how much you're doing for them?
you're the biggest kid in the playground that pushes everybody else around, and has a self-righteous streak that blinds him to the reality of the situation.
it's got nothing to do with the "global symbol for freedom"
yeah, right. the global symbol for freedom that just happens to bomb & conquer everywhere you look.
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the land they both claim is sacred to both religions. that's why they want it. and of course we are the symbol of freedom. that's why we have refugees from all over the world comming into the country. they want to get rich, fat, and do whatever the hell they want because they can't do it where they are at. who wouldn't? now a days you can't bomb anybody without another country backing you up. there are so many treaties and what not protecting everyone it's unbelieveable. what makes you think that because this country did something the US didn't like that we can just go and bomb the hell out of them? your going to break some kind of treaty or something. that's not the thinking at all. the world is comming down on Iraq and N. Korea. the US wants it done now because the US and it's interests are the target. how can the US be the biggest bully on the playground when they help so many around the world? open your eyes guys, it's the world that want Iraq and N. Korea to behave, france just wants a little more time before we get it done.
i don't know where you get the idea that the goverment and the media are in on stuff. if anything they hate each other, fucking politicians always come on tv and bitch about how these plans got leaked or those plans got leaked and what not. if anything they hate each other. you could try guys who do nothing but assume the goverment is corrupt, (that's pointing out the obvious) but lets face it. these guys aren't just going to stumble on crap that they claim they are. if anything the goverment is making them follow a conspiracy trail that has nothing to do with what they really do behind closed doors. and the goverment will do their thing in secrecy while these morons claim they are uncovering some conspiracy.
i don't know where you get the idea that the goverment and the media are in on stuff. if anything they hate each other, fucking politicians always come on tv and bitch about how these plans got leaked or those plans got leaked and what not. if anything they hate each other. you could try guys who do nothing but assume the goverment is corrupt, (that's pointing out the obvious) but lets face it. these guys aren't just going to stumble on crap that they claim they are. if anything the goverment is making them follow a conspiracy trail that has nothing to do with what they really do behind closed doors. and the goverment will do their thing in secrecy while these morons claim they are uncovering some conspiracy.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
saddam is about as dangerous as a 9 year old with a runny nose.
how is the us a bully? they're going to blow up iraq over nothing. then they're going to do the same to korea. if i go down to tell george bush how i feel i'm liable to get arrested.
lets look at this on 1 and 0 level. in iraq, if you do something the government doesn't like, they kill or imprison you. in amerika, if you do something the government doesn't like they kill or imprison you.
the only difference is the justification used.
the media would never, ever jeopardize your precious nationalism. does your media bother to investigate your governments claims? no. has any major amerikan news outlet uttered a fucking peep about the fact that colin powell blatantly lied to the world about the "intelligence dossier" which was in fact a decade old college paper?
no. because that would threaten your patriotism. that would jeopardize amerikan morale. and what's more, for whatever reason, you don't want to question it either.
your government has never told the truth about any of this. i can't remember the last time something came from the white house or the pentagon that wasn't a lie.
and unlike most people, i'm not stupid enough to keep believing in it. when somebody pisses on my face and tells me it's raining, i don't just nod my head and buy an umbrella. your country is insincere, dishonest, arrogant and more dangerous to the future of the world then all the saddam husseins put together.
the "symbol of freedom" is the best piece of propaganda ever put together because people like you want to believe in it, and no matter how hard we try to free your minds, you won't let go. because it's easier to believe the lie.
they lie, and you sign yourselves to their lies.
how is the us a bully? they're going to blow up iraq over nothing. then they're going to do the same to korea. if i go down to tell george bush how i feel i'm liable to get arrested.
lets look at this on 1 and 0 level. in iraq, if you do something the government doesn't like, they kill or imprison you. in amerika, if you do something the government doesn't like they kill or imprison you.
the only difference is the justification used.
the media would never, ever jeopardize your precious nationalism. does your media bother to investigate your governments claims? no. has any major amerikan news outlet uttered a fucking peep about the fact that colin powell blatantly lied to the world about the "intelligence dossier" which was in fact a decade old college paper?
no. because that would threaten your patriotism. that would jeopardize amerikan morale. and what's more, for whatever reason, you don't want to question it either.
your government has never told the truth about any of this. i can't remember the last time something came from the white house or the pentagon that wasn't a lie.
and unlike most people, i'm not stupid enough to keep believing in it. when somebody pisses on my face and tells me it's raining, i don't just nod my head and buy an umbrella. your country is insincere, dishonest, arrogant and more dangerous to the future of the world then all the saddam husseins put together.
the "symbol of freedom" is the best piece of propaganda ever put together because people like you want to believe in it, and no matter how hard we try to free your minds, you won't let go. because it's easier to believe the lie.
they lie, and you sign yourselves to their lies.
Doug E Fresh wrote:lets look at this on 1 and 0 level. in iraq, if you do something the government doesn't like, they kill or imprison you. in amerika, if you do something the government doesn't like they kill or imprison you.
the media would never, ever jeopardize your precious nationalism. does your media bother to investigate your governments claims? no. has any major amerikan news outlet uttered a fucking peep about the fact that colin powell blatantly lied to the world about the "intelligence dossier" which was in fact a decade old college paper?
no. because that would threaten your patriotism. that would jeopardize amerikan morale. and what's more, for whatever reason, you don't want to question it either.
your government has never told the truth about any of this. i can't remember the last time something came from the white house or the pentagon that wasn't a lie.
and unlike most people, i'm not stupid enough to keep believing in it. when somebody pisses on my face and tells me it's raining, i don't just nod my head and buy an umbrella. your country is insincere, dishonest, arrogant and more dangerous to the future of the world then all the saddam husseins put together.
the "symbol of freedom" is the best piece of propaganda ever put together because people like you want to believe in it, and no matter how hard we try to free your minds, you won't let go. because it's easier to believe the lie.
they lie, and you sign yourselves to their lies.
actually a family friend told highway troopers that he was going to kill the president and was only put in jail. if you kill 20 people in texas your going to be put to death. if you say anything bad about Sadamn while in Iraq, your dead, no jail. as for this paper you talk about big deal. it doesn't matter when or what you write, the fact is, sadam is a threat, because he's not comming out with what he has. he could have written something himself but what for? it doesn't matter who wries the paper or speech the fact is that it's true, sadam is a threat. to say otherwise is just absurd. remember this is a guy who wanted to build a rail gun that would have the US in range. i like the way you say America is lying and that you cannot remember a word of truth comming from the white house like you were a freaking fly on the walls. don't worry it will all come out and you'll either be able to throw it into my face or i'll be able to throw it in yours.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
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What he neglects to tell you is that dossier was BRITAIN'S not the United States'. Yes Colin Powell quoted from it, but the US govenment didn't write it. Never believe what Doug says. He likes to twist things around. By the way Doug would you mind linking the three papers that the dossier was derived from please? Cuz everything that I have read says that only a few small parts were from those papers, not the whole thing like you would like everyone to think.
so what, what are you saying?
powells evidence is good?
this document was his evidence. this was supposed to be "top notch, up to the minute" intelligence.
it isn't. that much is obvious. i don't have the term paper, but for christs sake, do you need to read the whole thing?
at least i back up my wild allegations. your government lies. face it. if they don't, prove that the document powell and the UK submitted to the un was anything but horse shit.
the evidence of iraq's weaponry is bullshit, too.
what in the hell do i have to gain from lying or twisting the truth around? i've already told you i don't support saddam. i'm not on anybody's side. i just want the facts to be revealed.
really. what's in it for me? why would i lie? can you even come up with a reason?
powells evidence is good?
this document was his evidence. this was supposed to be "top notch, up to the minute" intelligence.
it isn't. that much is obvious. i don't have the term paper, but for christs sake, do you need to read the whole thing?
at least i back up my wild allegations. your government lies. face it. if they don't, prove that the document powell and the UK submitted to the un was anything but horse shit.
the evidence of iraq's weaponry is bullshit, too.
what in the hell do i have to gain from lying or twisting the truth around? i've already told you i don't support saddam. i'm not on anybody's side. i just want the facts to be revealed.
really. what's in it for me? why would i lie? can you even come up with a reason?
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You would lie and twist because you are obviously Anti-War and Anti-America. Its not like you're one of a kind. There are plenty of people out there like you. You find anything you can to discredit America. The only thing you have going for you is that you at least can argue better than the majority. Most people that are Anti-War and/or Anti-America don't even know where Iraq is on a map much less any facts on the issues. You however get most of ur arguements from propaganda filled websites and conspiracy theorists. If half of what you think was true countries like France and Germany would be flaunting this "evidence" as arguements why there should be no action against Iraq.