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'Doesn't mean much' is probably wrong choice of words on my behalf. I'm not saying the US isn't doing enough, I'm saying they're relatively not doing as much as other countries. I was just trying to point out that while it may seem like the US spends a lot on aid, it doesn't make its help more important than what other countries give. This in reply to your comment that the US can't do it on their own. They're not doing it on their own, but other countries don't have the financial ability to give as much. Does that make more sense?
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This in reply to your comment that the US can't do it on their own. They're not doing it on their own, but other countries don't have the financial ability to give as much.
The US also can't rid the world of mass murdering tyrants, terrorists, and chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons producers! Just yesterday a pansy resolution was passed by the IAEA. Some countries didn't want to put the words "Security Council" in it. Iran has had a secret nuclear weapons program for 18 years and no one but the US wants to punish them for it. What does that show other countries that want to pursue WMD? This issue needs to go in front of the Security Council for further actions be it sanctions, or force if Iran doesn't comply. What is wrong with that. If they honestly want to comply they have nothing to worry about right? Outside of the US and a few other countries it seems that the world is apathetic to these issues that can literally blow up in their faces.
you guys don't seem to understand, it's not how much you give, but rather how much you give compared to how much you could give if canada gave 20 billion that is WAY more significant to us, then if America did, we made a larger sacrrifise finacially and gave more of our share, then if america gave 20 billion.
Note that the 20 billion figure is fictional and just being used to prove a point
Note that the 20 billion figure is fictional and just being used to prove a point
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"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
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I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
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you guys don't seem to understand, it's not how much you give, but rather how much you give compared to how much you could give if canada gave 20 billion that is WAY more significant to us, then if America did, we made a larger sacrrifise finacially and gave more of our share, then if america gave 20 billion.
You can't spend what you don't have. Who would protect Canada if they were attacked? The US. Canada spends next to nothing on defense much like other countries. Just because the US makes more money than other nations does not mean they have to give that much more away. We give more than any other country PERIOD! We are not the welfare provider for the rest of the world. We do what we can at the same time being the defense for half of the world as well as maintaining our economy.
that's just it, your country seems to consider itself the worlds policeman. Half the countries don't want your help, and we don't need a country with a superiority complex bullying everyone around. the biggest threat to Canada is America, and always has been
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
The US has a large sense of paranoia. Ever since probably Pearl Harbour they've had this large fear that everyone is after them. I guess it's the price you pay when you get your nose in other peoples business.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
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that's just it, your country seems to consider itself the worlds policeman.
So helping the Muslims and Croats in Bosnia and Kosovo was wrong? We should have supported "other coutries" and sit around and do nothing? Should we become isolationist and let stuff like this happen?
I guess it's the price you pay when you get your nose in other peoples business.
Yeah we should just allow tyrants to take over and sit back and watch right? We should have allowed Hitler to overrun Europe or Milosevic to create a single state Serbia.
the American's have a very "my way, or the highway" way of thinking, they walk around talking about how great they are and how they protect us all, when sometimes no one asked for it
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
if you need an example of my way of the highway, referr to the way you handled the signing of the Kyoto protocal. Of course signing something doesn't bode well for an oil family, or someone who wants to drill in alaska
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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the American's have a very "my way, or the highway" way of thinking, they walk around talking about how great they are and how they protect us all, when sometimes no one asked for it
I believe the Croats and Muslims in Bosnia/Kosovo were asking for it. But you don't seem to think they are people obviously. You would have rather let the ethnic cleansing continue. You have time and time again reinforced that you don't care about the lives of people under tyrants. You are Anti-American. Theres no other explaination to why you would argue against saving them and Iraqi's now.
there are countries that don't appreciate you holding things ovedr our heads as well though. Your like the big bossy kid in the playground with no friends.
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
The thing about the US foreign aid policy is that they may give the most money to third world countries, but I don't believe they're doing very much to improve fair trade (I could be wrong about this, but that's the impression I've got, please correct me if I'm wrong). If countries want to import things from the US they have to pay high fees, but the US imports supplies at the cheapest prices from third world countries. Because the US is the only superpower in the world nowadays they have an unfair trade position.
If you take the AIDS problem for example. The US may have given millions or billions of financial support to other governments to try and improve the situation but it took a long time before American medicine producers started selling AIDS-controlling drugs at a cheaper rate to poor Africans. Which costs less but is probably more effective. That's what's meant by the quality of the aid, just giving money is not enough.
You make a good point by making the difference between the governemt and the whole country. Maybe the government is giving enough aid, but the American people don't. Maybe people in other countries give more to charities. I don't know the figures about that.
If you take the AIDS problem for example. The US may have given millions or billions of financial support to other governments to try and improve the situation but it took a long time before American medicine producers started selling AIDS-controlling drugs at a cheaper rate to poor Africans. Which costs less but is probably more effective. That's what's meant by the quality of the aid, just giving money is not enough.
You make a good point by making the difference between the governemt and the whole country. Maybe the government is giving enough aid, but the American people don't. Maybe people in other countries give more to charities. I don't know the figures about that.
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The thing about the US foreign aid policy is that they may give the most money to third world countries, but I don't believe they're doing very much to improve fair trade (I could be wrong about this, but that's the impression I've got, please correct me if I'm wrong).
Actually during the Clinton adminstration the US started focusing more on trade than aid. The common phrase heard is that third world nations want trade, not aid. The UN criticized us for that saying that we were trying to avoid giving more money. From what you said and what has occurred it sounds like you are on the US's side on this.
You make a good point by making the difference between the governemt and the whole country. Maybe the government is giving enough aid, but the American people don't. Maybe people in other countries give more to charities. I don't know the figures about that.
Actually the government gives enough and the people of the US give 3 times that much. The American people are the most generous of any nation.
Venom wrote:Actually during the Clinton adminstration the US started focusing more on trade than aid. The common phrase heard is that third world nations want trade, not aid. The UN criticized us for that saying that we were trying to avoid giving more money. From what you said and what has occurred it sounds like you are on the US's side on this.
Yes, if being in favor of making trade fair and not just giving money, but investing it in projects, like farming sites and schooling, is being on the US's side, then I am. I've always found Clinton a pretty good president (politically) so that makes sense.
Venom wrote:Actually the government gives enough and the people of the US give 3 times that much. The American people are the most generous of any nation.
Glad to hear that. Keep up the good work!
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I don't think you can fairly say that they are the most "generous", since they are also the richest. I believe that the net amount donated is the most, though, with a population of something like 390 million and one of the world's highest GDP's.
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exactly, an american can afford a $30 a month where as some other's can't. I'd like to also bring up how we get raped up the ass by the NAFTA, apparently it only works one way
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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exactly, an american can afford a $30 a month where as some other's can't. I'd like to also bring up how we get raped up the ass by the NAFTA, apparently it only works one way
OMG complain, complain!! Why not back outta NAFTA if you "think" you are taking it up the ass!? You'll never be happy until there is socialism all over the world will you? Well guess what, it doesn't work! There is no obligation to give all our money away. Americans give plenty, period! Stop making excuses. Bill Gates gives more than most countries alone.
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I don't think you can fairly say that they are the most "generous", since they are also the richest. I believe that the net amount donated is the most, though, with a population of something like 390 million and one of the world's highest GDP's.
Until you start posting numbers your arguments are pitiful at best. I have proved that the US gives more than any other nation. Chris has even backed that up by saying that the US does more than its share. The numbers that have been posted don't even account for the AIDS money ($15 Billion) the US is spending AND it doesn't account for all the programs the US has to spend money on that other countries lack!! Take all that money out then show me some REAL numbers on whats left.