Moore's Fahrenheit fever inspires a Celsius sequel
September 17, 2004
Los Angeles: A conservative American grass-roots group and a leading Hollywood Republican are teaming up to deliver a rejoinder to Fahrenheit 9/11, Michael Moore's documentary about President George Bush.
Celsius 41.11 is to have its premiere in Washington on September 28. The title alludes to the temperature at which the brain deteriorates from heat - in this case, from Moore's left-wing rhetoric, said the writer-producer Lionel Chetwynd, one of Hollywood's most vocal Republicans. "You tell enough lies, and the brain starts to die," he said on Wednesday.
Financial backing for Celsius 41.11 came from Citizens United, a group that claims more than 100,000 conservative members.
"With only six weeks, start to finish, we don't expect to hit a home run, like Moore," said its president, Dave Bossie. "But we're hoping for a solid single that will educate people and influence the political debate."
Moore, whose Fahrenheit 9/11 has taken $118.3 million ($170 million) domestically to become the highest-grossing documentary ever, could not be reached for comment.
Mr Bossie said he came up with the idea for a Republican counterpoint in July and immediately thought of Chetwynd as writer-producer. Chetwynd and his frequent partner, Ted Steinberg, produced and wrote the film.
"What was getting to me was Michael Moore's almost preternatural obsession with getting rid of Bush," Chetwynd said.
"We set out to analyse the cause of this deep-seated hatred, the contention that Bush stole Florida, used the Patriot Act to rob people of their civil rights, misled the nation about weapons of mass destruction. We're also examining the 'anybody but Bush' rationale, comparing the policies of Bush and [Senator John] Kerry, shining a spotlight on the 'anybody' they found. Rather than doing a hit piece like Moore, we're taking the high road - to the extent that anyone can in this election."
Los Angeles Times
*snigger*
It will be interesting to see what this film has to say on Mr Moore
Farenheit fever inspires a Celcius sequel
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Because in the legal sense it isn't a lie. To all of us it may as well be but it isn't legally a lie. Its selective cutting and pasting and insinuating things.Dabekk wrote:Here's where republicans confuse me. If Michael Moore is truly telling 'lies' about george bush and the actions of his administration, then that is slander, an illegal offense which Moore could be prosecuted for. So why don't they take Moore to court and put a stop to these 'lies'?
To giv eyou an example. Today you say. I love my team because we bond well together. Tomorrow you say in an entirely different conversation. My sex life is great and I love my wife.
Take another set of circumstances Say, your parents horror over you breaking a vase when you were 3.
What Michael Moore does is stitch that together. ie I love my team. My sex life is great. throw in pictures of your parents horror, and whats implied is that your parents know you have group sex with your sporting team. Now, everything he has said in that is true. Its just all been misrepresented and taken well out of context.
1. You did say you love your team
2. You did say your sex life was great
3. That is a picture of your parents in horror.
EVERYTHING he put forward is true. But depending on which context you take it as, determines what meaning you glean from it. You dont see the bits at the end of each of your quotes. It's implied you said it all together at the one place and time. Rather than on 2 different days in 2 entirely different situations.
Its an overly simple example but i think it makes my point.
except there's nothing that leads us to believe that Mike hates AmericaJoe Cool wrote:I thought "Michael Moore Hates America" was pretty cool.Korzic wrote:but none of those have the cool title though do they?!
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
I admit that a lot of what moore does is link a lot of facts that may or may not have any influnce on each other. However, in my opinion there are enough cold hard facts alone in that documentary to severly discredit Bush and many things that he has done to the world. Besides, from experience I learned that most often when there is smoke there is most often fire. So, if we knew the absolute truth, maybe not all of moores dots would connect, but you'd have to think that at least a few of them would. Hey, speaking of 'where there's smoke there's fire', Bush could learn something from that. See, all along he was looking for a 'smoking gun', but he never found one. Maybe that has something to do with the fact that there still haven't been any w.m.ds found, and why no one has yet found a connection between Al Quaeda and Sadam Hussein. I guess, you need something called evidence. Funny how moore seems to have a lot of that.Korzic wrote:Because in the legal sense it isn't a lie. To all of us it may as well be but it isn't legally a lie. Its selective cutting and pasting and insinuating things.Dabekk wrote:Here's where republicans confuse me. If Michael Moore is truly telling 'lies' about george bush and the actions of his administration, then that is slander, an illegal offense which Moore could be prosecuted for. So why don't they take Moore to court and put a stop to these 'lies'?
To giv eyou an example. Today you say. I love my team because we bond well together. Tomorrow you say in an entirely different conversation. My sex life is great and I love my wife.
Take another set of circumstances Say, your parents horror over you breaking a vase when you were 3.
What Michael Moore does is stitch that together. ie I love my team. My sex life is great. throw in pictures of your parents horror, and whats implied is that your parents know you have group sex with your sporting team. Now, everything he has said in that is true. Its just all been misrepresented and taken well out of context.
1. You did say you love your team
2. You did say your sex life was great
3. That is a picture of your parents in horror.
EVERYTHING he put forward is true. But depending on which context you take it as, determines what meaning you glean from it. You dont see the bits at the end of each of your quotes. It's implied you said it all together at the one place and time. Rather than on 2 different days in 2 entirely different situations.
Its an overly simple example but i think it makes my point.
But still, moore has the evidence and Bush has....well nothing but his word.
Queens Of The Stone Age-Someone's In The Wolf
Once you're lost in twillights's blue
You don't find your way, the way finds you...
Tempt the fates, beware the smile
It hides all the teeth, my dear,
What's behind them...
So glad you could stay
Forever
He steps between the trees, a crooked man
There's blood on the blade
Don't take his hand
You warm by the firelight, in twilight's blue
Shadows creep & dance the walls
He's creeping too..
So glad you could stay
Forever
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taping together bits and pieces of material to make a quasi-true statement does not make those said statements cold hard facts. to be honest with you, both movies will be propaganda, and do we really need more propaganda?Dabekk wrote:I admit that a lot of what moore does is link a lot of facts that may or may not have any influnce on each other. However, in my opinion there are enough cold hard facts alone in that documentary to severly discredit Bush and many things that he has done to the world. Besides, from experience I learned that most often when there is smoke there is most often fire. So, if we knew the absolute truth, maybe not all of moores dots would connect, but you'd have to think that at least a few of them would. Hey, speaking of 'where there's smoke there's fire', Bush could learn something from that. See, all along he was looking for a 'smoking gun', but he never found one. Maybe that has something to do with the fact that there still haven't been any w.m.ds found, and why no one has yet found a connection between Al Quaeda and Sadam Hussein. I guess, you need something called evidence. Funny how moore seems to have a lot of that.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
NO republican can even try to call Moore a liar, look at your president for Christs sake!
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
but i can call them both liars.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
