You make a good point. Another reason I'm voting liberal though is that I feel the liberal candidate is the best candidate in our riding.I AM ME wrote:the problem is lots of people agree with the NDP, but we all believe they're not a big enough contender so we don't vote for them, but they never can become a big contender unless people vote for them. So they're stuck in a dead spot of mostly the same people voting for them.
Also having to split their votes with the green party this year is even worse for them
Who are you voting for? (Canada)
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
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deniedjunkie
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thats the best way to vote, dont worry about the partys leaders or what thier polocys are, worry about the candidate in your riding
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"People like victory. They don t like justification. Once you are victorious, that s it. You don t have to justify."
R.I.P
Domenic Mobilio(1969-2004)
don't you mean aboot?thirdhour wrote:seriously though, i want to find out what each candidate is all about.
*backs away from canadian thread*
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
I think I would if I wasn't worried about what they might do on moral issues such as gay marriages and abortions... Even though I'm not a woman, or a homosexual, I feel like if my gf were to get pregnant and wanted an abortion that she should be able to, or if one of my friends was gay and they fell in love with someone, they should be able to marry them if they choose to do so.mosaik wrote:vote for the conservatives.
I just don't like how the tories are trying to make Canada a "little America".
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
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Long Jonny
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I'm in a tough situation. I want to vote NDP, but that just takes another vote away from the liberals who are in jeopardy of losing the election. I'd rather not see a Conservative government in power. We all remember what happened the last time we had a Conservative government. am i better of wasting my vote on NDP or taking my chance by wasting my vote on the liberals? either way, as i see it, i'm wasting my vote. (Joe Comartin is the candidate in our riding, and I believe he was runner up in the NDP leadership convention- he's actually done quite well and a lot of people in our area respect him)J-Neli wrote:You make a good point. Another reason I'm voting liberal though is that I feel the liberal candidate is the best candidate in our riding.I AM ME wrote:the problem is lots of people agree with the NDP, but we all believe they're not a big enough contender so we don't vote for them, but they never can become a big contender unless people vote for them. So they're stuck in a dead spot of mostly the same people voting for them.
Also having to split their votes with the green party this year is even worse for them
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on top of that the conservatives plan on putting $7 billion into the military in the next 5 yearsJ-Neli wrote:I think I would if I wasn't worried about what they might do on moral issues such as gay marriages and abortions... Even though I'm not a woman, or a homosexual, I feel like if my gf were to get pregnant and wanted an abortion that she should be able to, or if one of my friends was gay and they fell in love with someone, they should be able to marry them if they choose to do so.mosaik wrote:vote for the conservatives.
I just don't like how the tories are trying to make Canada a "little America".
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Joe Cooler
Not to mention it being an issue that will never become a reality as it defies our charter of right's and freedoms.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
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can a liberal and conservitive have a debate without screaming at each other, every debate iv seen the two scream back and forth and the other parties just sit back and laugh 
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"People like victory. They don t like justification. Once you are victorious, that s it. You don t have to justify."
R.I.P
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"People like victory. They don t like justification. Once you are victorious, that s it. You don t have to justify."
R.I.P
Domenic Mobilio(1969-2004)
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Joe Cooler
No I agree with them on a number of issues. However I dont agree with them on others.mosaik wrote:sorry, Joe, are you voting conservative because you agree with them on just one issue?
See thats where you and I are different. You live by the charter, I live by my own moral standings. A lot of what I believe goes with the charter but on the issue of abortion, it does not.J-Neli wrote:Not to mention it being an issue that will never become a reality as it defies our charter of right's and freedoms.
Secondly does the charter not say that
"Everyone has the right to LIFE, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice."
Thus the issue comes down to whether a fetus is a person and if you want to look into that arguement just look a few pages back. And if you do consider a fetus a person (which I do) why does a mothers choice override the right of the fetus to live.
A political debate without screaming would have to involve the removal of vocal chords.deniedjunkie wrote:can a liberal and conservitive have a debate without screaming at each other, every debate iv seen the two scream back and forth and the other parties just sit back and laugh
...which would actually probably help some politicians.
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Every now and then I fall out into open air just to feel the wind, rain and everything.
And though the hum and sway gets me down, I'll find the way to peace and openness.
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just a comment on the rights of a fetus.
we know that rights are a product of natural law. for instance, we know man has the right to act because to say otherwise requires action. man acting is an axiom - it happens on it's own and is part of mans nature.
a fetus, however, does not occur "naturally" like, for instance, man acting. a fetus is a result of an action, the cluster of cells that is created as a product of sexual intercourse. therefore, an argument could be made that the fetus lives in the mother by permission and not right.
i think jim brings the charter up not because he neccessarily believes it to be 'morally correct' but because since the charter dictates to some extent what laws are passable, a law prohibiting abortion is impossible in canada's current political climate.
we know that rights are a product of natural law. for instance, we know man has the right to act because to say otherwise requires action. man acting is an axiom - it happens on it's own and is part of mans nature.
a fetus, however, does not occur "naturally" like, for instance, man acting. a fetus is a result of an action, the cluster of cells that is created as a product of sexual intercourse. therefore, an argument could be made that the fetus lives in the mother by permission and not right.
i think jim brings the charter up not because he neccessarily believes it to be 'morally correct' but because since the charter dictates to some extent what laws are passable, a law prohibiting abortion is impossible in canada's current political climate.
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Joe Cooler
You are entitled to your opinion, and you have the right to not to have an abortion should you not want one (if you were a woman...), but at the same time those who believe abortion is right should be entitled to that right, especially considering the large numbers on both sides of the coin.
You may say "yes but if a group of people believe murder is right, they surely shouldn't be entitled to killing people" which is correct, only because maybe a miniscule portion of the population (maybe 0.00001%) may find it justifiable. In the case of abortion, although there are no official numbers there can be anywhere from a 50/50 split to 80/20 in either direction. Therefore, one group can't force their beliefs onto another.
You may say "yes but if a group of people believe murder is right, they surely shouldn't be entitled to killing people" which is correct, only because maybe a miniscule portion of the population (maybe 0.00001%) may find it justifiable. In the case of abortion, although there are no official numbers there can be anywhere from a 50/50 split to 80/20 in either direction. Therefore, one group can't force their beliefs onto another.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
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Joe Cooler
That many be true but how many women out there grew to believe abortion was ok simply because it was made legal? In many ways abortion just gives a teenager a way out of facing their parents, or keeping their bf. I'm not arguing with you here, i'm just wondering how many people out there would believe it was alright if it were illegal.
Anyway I have a question for you all. Theres a new bill trying to be put in place (Bill C-250) that could make refusing to marry a gay couple an offense as well as labelling the Bible "Hate literature". In my oppinion, doing so would violate a groups freedom of religion. Thoughts?
Anyway I have a question for you all. Theres a new bill trying to be put in place (Bill C-250) that could make refusing to marry a gay couple an offense as well as labelling the Bible "Hate literature". In my oppinion, doing so would violate a groups freedom of religion. Thoughts?