Fast Food Nation

[Sufjan Stevens]

OK, first off, I don't know why you needed two posts to say the exact same thing. Yeah, seems rather wasteful.

First off, I said nothing to you in general, so you should have just left me alone. You didn't, so now we're bitching, which will most likely lead to having me banned yet again, which wouldn't be a shock.

Alright, now onto the "issues" at hand. If you want to make a thread about being vegetarian, by all means, go make one in a different forum. This is about a book, not about you and being a high-and-mighty vegetarian.

I am sick of you and your views. I don't have a problem with vegetarians at all, but you just irk me. The things you say on this board and in your journal are just annoying. You look down on your friends because they eat meat. Don't deny it, I can bring up your livejournal entries where it says that. Honestly, the way you preach about this annoys everyone, just stop. Please. You're a vegetarian, you look down on people that eat meat, you take everything too fucking seriously, congratulations. No one wants, or needs, to hear about it anymore. If you're a vegetarian, that's fine, but you're insane. You make sure everyone knows about it. I eat meat, I don't go around preaching to people about it, and I'm perfectly happy keeping it to myself. I recommend you do the same.

Honestly, it's everything I am saying is a culmination of your holier than thou attitude about meat. You know, no matter how many numbers you show us, people are still going to eat meat. You can't tell us to not come in a thread because people still like meat. Just because people don't believe that being a strict vegetarian isn't healthy and doubt your views doesn't mean we're not interested and looking to argue. I am not interested in being a vegetarian, but I asked you a question and you still haven't answered. Just answer the question and let this go.

But what this all comes down to is, you need to stop taking everything so seriously. If you can't handle people making jokes about anything, then you really have problems. Maybe before you post you should smoke down or pop some happy pills or something to make you not so damn serious. You're on a fucking messageboard. I hope you realize that people here are going to make a joke once in a while. If you can't handle it, then maybe you're not quite able to adapt to text yet. Remember, when someone makes a joke that isn't offensive to you in any way possible, you can laugh about it. Trust me, it makes you look less insane when you do.

[Joey]

don't worry, you won't be banned .. I don't intend on continuing this any longer much less spending a whole lot of time here anymore

leave my fuckin' personal journal out of this .. cuz if you want to go there I can bring up alot of personal things from your own journal as well, then again I'm not that cruel and would never do anything like that to anyone .. if i'm annoying you, take me off your damn friends list .. cuz lets face it, we're certainly not friends .. you've ignored every comment i've ever made on your journal even when everything i've written there has been to support you ..

and no I don't look down on my friends who eat meat ... that would be pretty damn ignorant considering I ate meat for 23 fuckin' years of my life .. get a clue asshole .. you couldn't be further from the truth if you hit you in the face ..

[Sufjan Stevens]

Oh great, now you're trying to prove some point that isn't there by threatening to leave the board, again. You know, grow up. Just because we don't agree on things isn't a reason to leave the fucking board. There's no reason for you to stop posting here, again, because you got into one petty argument. The whole month away from posting to make a glorious return among your circle of ten friends on here is pointless. Let's pretend you left and came back, because let's face it, no one here wants you to leave. Hell, we argue a lot, and I want you to stay here. So please, do us all a favor and not leave.

I'm sorry for bringing up the journal thing. I just see your icons and it seems like you just want to show off the fact that you're a vegetarian. I know you do it because it's healthy, but the icon thing makes it seem like a fashion. Again, sorry.

Off topic, no offense babe, but when I need to talk to someone, I usually go to someone I am really close to. We're not exactly best buds, as you very well know. I appreciate the offers to hear me out and all, but I honestly only use my journal to rant about my days to myself so I don't tell anyone. The fact that people choose to read it is their own problems. Heh.

Again, I could talk to you on AIM and copy and paste at least two journal entries from the past two weeks where it comes off as you looking down on your friends. Don't say it's ignorant, you wrote it, I read it, it's there. It's ignorant to deny what's tangible babe.

Again, please don't leave. We all want you here.

[Joey]

You know what, don't pretend to know me or understand me .. the veggie rants in my journal are there because my so called friends like to throw meat in my face and make fun of me on a daily basis because of my choice to become vegetarian .. because you've read 2 entires about it, don't act like you know or understand the situation. You don't. I have 1 veggie related icon I use in my own personal journal .. 1. because I'm in a veggie community 2. becauses i saw it on aim and though it was cute .. how you think a little character hugging a cow and eating a carrot is rubbing this in anyone's face I don't even know.

I have nothing else to say to you .....

[Sufjan Stevens]

How can you be so fucking angry at me all the time? Honestly, get over yourself. You're 24 or something, you should realize that no matter what you choose, people are going to give you problems about it. If you can't handle that, then honestly, you suck at life.

Please quote me when I said anything along the lines of "having that icon is rubbing vegetarianism in someone's face." Sure, I said it looks like you're showing off the fact that you're a vegetarian like it's a fashion, but that doesn't mean you're rubbing it in people's faces. Hell, if you didn't delete me from your friends list on Livejournal to thwart me from proving you wrong, I could link the "I'm a vegetarian" ass pants you fucking bought. But no, that's not doing something and making it come off as a fashion, right?

Just to let ya know, before you de-friended me, I read your entries. Don't assume things you have no fucking idea about.

[Joey]

1. Why am I angry at you all the time? Count how many times you insult me in one post .. you can't make 1 post directed at me without insulting me in some way or getting a little dig at me. You tell me my posts here are annoying, you tell me my posts in my own personal journal are annoying, you tell me I'm insane and I suck at life .. well you're right in one thing you've said all night, I do suck at life.

2. I deleted you and about 6 others from my journal tonight. Why? Simple. I don't consider you or anyone else I deleted a friend. These people do not post in my journal, these people do not acknowledge my posts in their journals. So what's the point in pretending these people are my friends ...

3. If you're going to quote me or something I bought .. try actually quoting me. The pants I bought do not say that. Do you know the story behind the pants I bought? No. Do you know the story behind the 2 veggie rants I posted? No. Do you know these people I ranted about? No. Do you know me well enough to act like you understand anything I ranted about? No. Because you've read 2 entries do not pretend to know the whole story or the circumstances behind what inspired those rants.

4. I didn't delete you so you could prove me wrong. You can't prove me wrong. There is nothing here to prove. I deleted you for the reasons I stated earlier.

5. I didn't assume anything.

Now can we please end this ....
Anybody who actually knows me, knows why I decided to become vegetarian. I don't have much in my life to be proud of, but I am proud of becoming vegetarian and sticking to this. I did buy pants that had something related to veganism written on them .. there is a story behind them. You may think vegetarianism is a fashion. I consider it an accomplishment in my life and something to actually feel good about. If using an icon I thought was cute and buying pants with a message on it is a fashion then everyone is guilty of that on a daily basis when you wear your favorite shirt with a bands logo on it or a sports teams logo .. you're wearing something you believe in and support, just like I am.

[nikki4982]

Now here's someone that needs to get over herself. I'll put it bluntly enough so you can understand this Nikki. Joey comes into a thread saying being a vegetarian is good. We ask her why. She answers. Some people have their doubts about her responses, so Joey responds to them again. Then you come in here acting all high and mighty trying to draw pity to you oh so discriminated against vegetarians. No one is telling you that you can't be a vegetarian, so, I think I am speaking for everyone in this thread when I say to you, not Joey, to get over yourself and shut up unless you're going to bring something to this thread that's beyond self pity. Thanks.

I need to get over myself? First off, I was talking to Joey, not you. Secondly, I said what I said because I felt bad for her because she was practically alone in defending vegetarianism, which is a topic which I have also researched a lot. I could've saved her some typing up facts and searching for relevant links.

I wasn't acting all high-and-mighty. Go back and re-read the whole thread. You'll see the negative tone toward vegetarians... or, maybe you won't. I do because I deal with this crap all the time, and perhaps took some of the posts the wrong way. If so, my bad, but when you're a vegetarian, you deal with this crap every single time you tell someone you don't eat meat... and if you become friends with the person, just about every day afterwards. They make jokes that are funny to them, but aren't at all to you, because they're insulting. They start yelling at you and telling you that eating meat is healthy, implying that you know nothing about health and how not eating meat affects your body. The same things happened in this thread. I felt the need to back Joey up and let her know she was't practically alone in here anymore.

I don't want your, or anyone else's, pity. I don't need it. Being a vegetarian is very important to me, and it's part of who I am. Why would I want pity for that?

Oh, and stop feeling the need to speak for "everyone". You don't know how everyone else feels. You can speak for yourself all you want. That's fine. But don't pretend you know what everyone else is thinking. Because you don't. That's a very ignorant assumption to make.

Oh yeah, and that dig at my intellegence near the beginning of your reply was quite immature. Especially considering I've said nothing negative towards you.

I still don't understand what you have against me.


ANYWAY...

Joey, thanks SO much for that link. I'm going to buy that book as soon as I get some money. I hate eating at fast food places, cos I always worry about what's in what I'm eating. It'll be awesome to not have to worry anymore.

You may think vegetarianism is a fashion. I consider it an accomplishment in my life and something to actually feel good about.

Well put. I feel the same way.

[Sufjan Stevens]

I think I can sum up the past two pages with this.

Blah blah blah.

[nelison]

I don't think it's Joey and Nikki who need to get over themselves...

Honestly Allen, sometimes it seems as though you only post to get a rise out of people... Nothing is ever positive. Just because you were treated poorly as a kid doesn't give you good reason to try and show your superiority over others. Notice how I said try. That's all it is, a mere attempt. I hope Joey doesn't take your comments to heart because your words aren't worth it.

Anyways Joey, good for you for standing up for what you believe in. It's too bad you have to put up with harassment from your friends as well as from people on here. There's no reason for it.

[Sufjan Stevens]

Oh wow, let's bring up the fact that I was beat as a child. Wow, you're a stand up guy Jim, a real fucking stand up guy. I hope you fucking die. Hey Jim, how about you start making fun of me because my mom does cocaine? Wanna insult me about that too? Come on, it would be fun! Wanna insult me because my dad beats my mom and breaks everything in the house because he's a baby? By all means, please fucking do it. Hey, how about you make fun of me because my dad just took 16 vicodin in an attempt to kill himself? I mean, go ahead, apparently nothing's off limits for you you fucking asshole.

Rob, I know you don't like Jim. Please ban him.

9/10 I post because I want to make people laugh. I even throw those fucking out there all the fucking time to make sure you people laugh. You fucking morons decide that even though it's fucking apparent that it's a joke, I am being serious and trying to be an asshole. If you are too goddamn stupid to realize what a joke is, then fucking deal with it. I don't want to fucking hear about it you assholes. You're all fucking worthless.

[Axtech]

The problem is that 8 out of those 9 times, people think you're serious.

Especially since some of your posts involve calling people "fucking worthless"

[Sufjan Stevens]

OK, if you people can't handle sarcasm, then don't respond. If you can't figure out that I'm a sarcastic person, then it's your own fucking problem. I don't want to hear about how wrong I am for making jokes that you people can't handle. Either learn to cope with it, or just don't respond to what I say. It's rather cut and dry. So, it just comes down to either accept my humor or fuck off. Hooray.

Hey Jim, where are you at? Come on, take shots at me for my past you asshole. Please, I am begging you to. I told you everything that I don't like to tell people, so come on, say something you fucking jackass. I want to hear it.

[nelison]

alright... so anyways
1. Rob is right, people don't know when you're sarcastic. Personally I'm an extremely sarcastic person, but when you do it over the internet, towards people who don't know you personally, it can be rather difficult to know the difference between being serious and being sarcastic.

2. 9/10 of the time you're joking... there's still 1/10 in which you're serious or being sarcastic, and even then of those 9/10 some people don't know that you're only joking.

3. I wasn't making light of your childhood. I just feel that you use it as a reason sometimes for putting down others. You go off on such little things sometimes, and its no wonder where your anger comes from.

4. I don't see any reasoning for me being banned... I've done nothing in this community to have such a thing be done. If that one post was worth being banned then I guess the CM has suddenly become rather tame, and I don't see how it compares to you wishing death upon people.

And whether or not Rob likes or dislikes me shouldn't matter either. I've done nothing to him to deserve it, and if he does happen to read this and does have a problem with me then I'd appreciate it if he'd IM me about it as to whether I've done something wrong, cause I'm really unaware of why he would feel that way, and would hope to straighten it out.


Anyways Alan, I think you need to sometimes think twice when you're about to say stuff. Realize that some people get upset over the things you say, just as much as you got upset over what I said above.

[areusad831]

i think that what you said Jim was not cool at all. Bringing up things people confide in telling on the board or to you personally shouldnt be re-hashed against the person on the board.

Alan you are too harsh on Joey, you may not think that your comments come off as insults and harmful but to some they do, there are times when I can tell you are joking but you kept going on and on with Joey. Just like you say if you have a problem with your sarcastic posts then you shouldnt have a problem with Joeys post even if they are pro veggie or whatever you say (which i dont think they are).

Alan you said

And on top of that, I have not said people are stupid for being vegetarians. You just like to make shit up. So how about you either shut the fuck up or speak the truth, either way, we'll all be better off.

that was uncalled for and once again makes it hard for me to take your side. Joey has provided links and never ahs come close to saying shut the fuck up to you. Nor does she speak on behalf "everyone" she speaks for herself. I have no problem with you but these kind of things you say without re-reading do make people upset.

Joey to avoid getting upset over these stupid fights just dont keep pressing the matter and it wont be as bad.

Jim never bring up a persons personal issues on the board again I think we are all above that and it makes me more upset then anything else. You arent a psychologist so dont try and pinpoint why people are angry until you graduate with a degree and the person asks for your help.

Now this thread is to discuss Fast Food Nation and topics in the book and therefore an issue in the book is how bad the meat industry is and the advantage of being a vegetarian we dont limit what can and can not be discussed until stupid things like this break out.[/quote]

[nelison]

No prob. I very, very rarely bring up anything hurtful towards someone, this was just one of those times when I felt he needed to see what it was like to have personal issues thrown back in your face.

If an apology will suffice then I apologize to Alan for my comments. They were somewhat harsh, but I hope you remember how you felt when you go bashing someone in the future.

So I guess thats really it for this thread, I don't see why it should continue much longer.

[doug]

i think we just have to go and quote the great ted nugent:

meat is food.

[areusad831]

so are vegetables and grains

[doug]

excellent point.

so are fruits.

[Reyna]

so is naked.

[Sufjan Stevens]

No, that's just raw fun.