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The Jerk Factor -- Theories and Discussions

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From what I've discovered about people, some of it comes down to this.

Maturity is different among person to person. Everybody matures; but some don't mature enough, either at certain times or at all, to provide themselves with a sense of self-responsibility, or even a good sense of reality, that only a person can change oneself and not others. Thus why women allow themselves into abusive relationships in which they do not leave. Thus why some women cheat, themselves. It all boils down to how much they've matured and what they consider right and wrong, and how important that knowledge is to them at a given moment.

For example: I have a friend. She dated the most wanted senior guy during our junior year, and was with him until about three-fourths of the way through our senior year. For the first six months, which was through the summer before senior year, the relationship was apparently great -- she, although, is slightly obsessive over guys at occassional points.

As soon as he went to college, however -- when he no longer could have her in close proximity, that is -- he got very controlling and restrictive. Didn't like her talking to her guy friends, didn't like not knowing what was going on.

She let this go on for about nine, ten months, and then she cheated on him with one of her friends. He got pissed (duh), broke it off with her.

She assumed that he'd take her back. I would ask why she would stay with someone who seemed certifiably an insecure wacko, and she never, EVER answered. She stuck herself in this relationship that was technically abusive (wanting control over aspects of a person's life, mostly their social ones, is abusing a relationship), and then responded with abusing the relationship herself.

All of this seems extremely pointless and unjustifiable. She probably expected, like most women do, that this would occur:

Bad Boy + Her = Changed Man.

She probably thought that all she would have to do is see him (and she drove down to his dorm in New York -- and I'm in Maine, folks, so think about the drive back and forth), and he'd calm down. But whenever she left and came back here, he seemed to try to tighten his grip around her life. Once she came to this realization, she went and tried to find pleasure in someone else. However, even after finding this pleasure, and him discovering that she had cheated on him, she still expected he would take her back and perhaps change.

Of course, he didn't take her back, and then ended up dating a guy a year younger than her whose last girlfriend was guilted into sex by him, and pretty much got extremely jealous and fussy when talk about other guys came up. In other words, a mirror image in relationship personality of the first guy. I'm actually pretty sure her younger sister liked him, too, as well as his mysoginist, racial-humor loving best friend.

Choosing a guy whom a girl would not want to change in these instances tends to prove why girls will say "you're so sweet" and "you're so cute", and then not actually want to date this person. Where's the progression of the relationship? Where's something she can talk about with her girlfriends over lunch? It's not there, because you're already a person who doesn't need her to try and mold you.

Victor Mancini, the main character in Chuck Palahnuik's book Choke, notes that men are just here for women to use for their own purposes. It seems by the above observation that it might be true. If you're not something a girl wants to change, then she doesn't want to date you. Your friendship is sufficent to her.

What I'm saying, basically, is this: one form of desire is brought on by the image that a girl believes she can change, which is generally the bad boy. It's all a part of maternal instinct (raising a boy into a man, guiding him in the correct direction). Women are playing demi-God, ruling over the fate of a man.

This is at a certain stage of maturity -- which seemed to last through my school years from grade 6 through grade 12. A certain few girls had matured beyond this stage, though, and looked for people they didn't want to change, but rather, those that were optimal for holding a longer, more shared, less control-heavy relationship.

Let me say that this is only one theory, though. The second guy this girl dated, his previous girlfriend seemed to have chosen to be with him through part pity and part desire.

Anyone else have theories on this phenomenon? *pretends to look interested = :freak: *
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Did you like this girl?
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Post by Ray »

That really has nothing to do with what I was saying... but, no, I didn't like this girl. She was just a friend.
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:lol: I realize that, but it just sounded like you did.
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Post by Susan »

I agree that most teenagers are too immature to maintain an even relationship without it becoming controlling/posessive. I think of it as greed.
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Post by Ignignokt »

its an insecurity issue

think about it

when you date someone, guys/girls just seem to come out the woodwork to see why you or her are so great that you're dating each other. most people want what they cant get.

as with the controlling thing, its not about being in control.. its about being afraid. if you're afraid your gf/bf is going to do something, then you're gonna do everything you can to stop them. therefore knowing everyone they talk to and everywhere they go helps in this. that is how it works. most people do grow out of this as they establish a sense of self security about them. teenagers do not normally have this security as they are going through the growing up phase and are still searching for who they are and accepting that.
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It's not that all men are paranoid. I'll tell you a little story as to why I am the way I am.

OK, I am a junior in high school and I somehow landed this complete bombshell girl, and all my friends wanted her and shit. I, of course, being the naive person I am, just took all the comments like, "Why the hell is she dating you" as a joke. Well, we dated for a few months, and I let her do whatever she wanted with her friends when I wasn't around her. It was her life, and I let her live it.

Well, after like four months, I noticed she was pulling away from me with lots of things, so I asked her what the problem was. Well, she told me the truth about the entire time we dated, and how she was seeing another guy, and fucking him, and her and I weren't doing anything like that.

Needless to say, I was pretty crushed for a while because I really liked her. Along with that, with each girl I dated afterwards, I was damn paranoid about what they would do, but would keep it to myself.

About a year later, I started dating another girl. She was very attractive too, and I got the same comments from my friends. Well, this time it was worse. Her and I had a fight over nothing while being out with my friends. Well, I got pretty pissed off at her about it and I went home. Well, she wanted to hang out with my two friends after that. All three got drunk, and apparently she fucked the both of them. Again, that was something her and I weren't even doing.

Since then, I've been unable to trust anyone, and I tend to find what everyone says worth absolutely nothing.

Now I question what everyone tells me. I dated a girl for nine months and I was convinced she was cheating on me because she was spending lots of her time with her ex-boyfriend. That's not exactly good for a relationship. I still don't even know the truth with her either, I've just stopped caring and we don't talk anymore.

If I find out anyone has ever lied to me, I don't talk to the person anymore. It's that simple. I won't stand for anyone's bullshit.

Coincidentally, I've become pretty anti-every woman organization since then. I am not a chauvenist or anything, but I might as well be. Women to me are nothing more than lying pieces of shit that are there for nothing but cheating on you and spending your money. I still have nothing to prove me otherwise.

So yeah, people fucking suck. I won't trust anyone ever again. It's that simple. I doubt I'll ever have a normal relationship ever again, and that's fine. I don't care anymore.

Greed doesn't always play a major part in relationships, usually lying sluts from your past do.
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good point.

damn sluts.
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Post by Random Name »

As a female I would like to be all defencive...but I'm not.

I'm sure if all my boyfriends ended up lying to my face and cheating on my I would be pretty pissed off. So who am I to say you are wrong?


I think its fear that keeps people in bad relationships. People are scared to be alone. They want to have someone to care about and if they think they have found a person to fill that role they are scared to go back to when you didnt have them.
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I think its fear that keeps people in bad relationships. People are scared to be alone. They want to have someone to care about and if they think they have found a person to fill that role they are scared to go back to when you didnt have them.


Good point. Or fear that keeps you out of them. But for the girls, guys are just as big of lying, cheating assholes as girls are.
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Post by happening fish »

Ray, I agree with your entire post wholeheartedly. You've put the point quite well :nod:
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I've never had the chance to be in a real relationship, so I wouldn't really know.
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I think that it's a certain type of girl that will fall for a guy who treats her badly. I think a lot of things like that have to do with the way that you're raised. When I dated my first boyfriend Collin, he was very possessive and controlling to the point where he had to know every single thing that I was doing. He cheated on me and since my dad cheated on my mom I thought it was just things that guys do. After a while, I left. But I did stay for a pretty long time.
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See, I think I stay in dead end relationships until the trainwreck because I don't know any better. I am a sucker for a girl saying she likes me. I will know full well she doesn't give a shit about me, but if she hugs me and says she likes me, or better yet, loves me, I will be her bitch until she cheats on me or does something stupid. If I had a normal mother that didn't smack me around for everything, maybe I would be better adjusted. Maybe if my mother didn't cheat on my father, I would be better adjusted. But these things never happened, so I have no way to get over it. I am honestly fucked unless I start popping pills.
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People with normal parents get fucked up too though.
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Post by Gimme_Shelter »

when i came in here i thought it was going to be something more exciting

then i read a few words and thought, well as long as you did her


see i got bored and made up the rest of the story, i find this makes life more interesting
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