http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf
watch that movie and then let's go. i want to hear your arguments against individual rights after seeing that.
the movie spells it out for your really well. very well done. it's about five minutes long.
Philosophy of Self Ownership
Daiye Spa wrote:That's all well and good in theory.
I don't live in theory, I live in reality.
Hey, that's an incredibly vague respone. Any part of that in particular that you have trouble with?
You can't go around building a better world for people. Only people can build a better world for people. Otherwise it's just a cage.
--Terry Pratchett
When it's cold I'd like to die
--Terry Pratchett
When it's cold I'd like to die
Because it goes against human nature. Power vacuums have only ever ended in one way: with a new power taking its place. Call me jaded, but I don't trust people to suddenly all change and say, "Hey, I don't want to control people anymore! Let's all start living in peace and harmony and get rid of government! Anyone up for a round of 'We Are The World'?"
It's a nice theory. But it wouldn't work. And trying it would be disastrous.
It's a nice theory. But it wouldn't work. And trying it would be disastrous.
mosaik wrote:Aerin, you can't disprove a theory by saying "it would never work" because of course it would work.
That doesn't really make any sense... So any theory will work just because somebody theorized it?
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Every now and then I fall out into open air just to feel the wind, rain and everything.
And though the hum and sway gets me down, I'll find the way to peace and openness.
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Every now and then I fall out into open air just to feel the wind, rain and everything.
And though the hum and sway gets me down, I'll find the way to peace and openness.
"Robbo" - © Alex (happeningfish)...^5 ^5 v v
You don't have to trust people. If somebody tries to use force against you, you protect yourself. I personally still believe that protecting yourself works a hell of a lot better then waiting for the government to do it.
And of course, everything presented on that website is absolutely true with respect to our rights and the rights of the officials. My favorite part was the bit about good people encouraging evil people by allowing force to be used to their ends.
I'd like to hear from the non-anarchist/libertarians and have somebody explain to me the theoretical reason they support government - where do they get the rights they give to their leaders, etc etc.
And of course, everything presented on that website is absolutely true with respect to our rights and the rights of the officials. My favorite part was the bit about good people encouraging evil people by allowing force to be used to their ends.
I'd like to hear from the non-anarchist/libertarians and have somebody explain to me the theoretical reason they support government - where do they get the rights they give to their leaders, etc etc.
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Today at work I was thinking something... perhaps one of you anarchy believers could help me out.
Around here they've been implementing a law in which smoking is no longer allowed in public buildings. Now if everyone governed themselves and there were no laws that would mean you could smoke anywhere you wanted. But wouldn't this be forcing others to breathe in your second hand smoke? You surely cannot say that it's our choice to breathe, and according to you we should all be able to do as we feel without any sort of force.
I was just wondering how you would solve this? And please do not reply with "it's the person's choice to be in this situation where they're breathing in second hand smoke" because in many cases the individual has no choice but to be where they are at the moment.
Around here they've been implementing a law in which smoking is no longer allowed in public buildings. Now if everyone governed themselves and there were no laws that would mean you could smoke anywhere you wanted. But wouldn't this be forcing others to breathe in your second hand smoke? You surely cannot say that it's our choice to breathe, and according to you we should all be able to do as we feel without any sort of force.
I was just wondering how you would solve this? And please do not reply with "it's the person's choice to be in this situation where they're breathing in second hand smoke" because in many cases the individual has no choice but to be where they are at the moment.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
Gots to love that "rational self interest".J-Neli, there would be no such thing as a "public place" in anarchy. So if you're smoking, you are either on someone else's property, in which case they can decide whether or not you're allowed to, or your own property, in which case YOU decide if you can smoke.
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