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Joey · Post by **Joey** » 4/8/2003, 9:14 am

Nobody is complaining Jim :neutral:

Asking for help is not as easy as you might think ..

nelison · Post by **nelison** » 4/8/2003, 1:26 pm

I didn't intend to say that people are complaining, they are just sharing their stories, but there are people and cases in which we all know that complaints are being made.
I think help is extremely easy to get. There are thousands of resources out there that can help people, they just have to have the guts to admit that they, or the people around them have a problem.

Joey · Post by **Joey** » 4/8/2003, 1:31 pm

If only things were that easy

nelison · Post by **nelison** » 4/8/2003, 1:35 pm

and how aren't they?

Joey · Post by **Joey** » 4/8/2003, 1:40 pm

You've already said you can't relate to this because you have a great support system and plenty of people around to help you. Not everyone is that lucky. You have to put yourself in other peoples shoes for a second before just thinking it's so simple. Someone who doesn't have that sort of support system and who never has had that great of a support system isn't gonna find it so easy. I don't know too many people who feel comfortable calling up a complete stranger and saying "hey, I need help"

nelison · Post by **nelison** » 4/8/2003, 1:47 pm

That's what counsellors or teachers, or just about anyone that you have any sort of relationship are for. They can help provide guidance and send you toward people you can trust. Thats their job. I personally have never had any serious problems but my brother and mother have and they've been able to get help just by using the phone and calling and making an appointment.

Joey · Post by **Joey** » 4/8/2003, 1:52 pm

Well it's not that easy for some people. Me being one of those people that wouldn't feel comfortable doing that. I don't have relationships with counselors or teachers, never have and I don't feel comfortable telling complete strangers about suicide attempts and wanting to die. Also, not everyone wants help and until they want help, there's nothing anyone can do.

the android · Post by **the android** » 4/8/2003, 2:00 pm

I personally would rather talk to you guys than talk to a guidance counsellor or teacher.

nelison · Post by **nelison** » 4/8/2003, 2:44 pm

Obviously, but if it is very serious (abuse of any sorts, suicide, etc) the best trained people to deal with your problems aren't a bunch of kids on a message board.

Joey · Post by **Joey** » 4/8/2003, 2:47 pm

You'd be surpised at how comforting 'a bunch of random kids' can be. I've been able to relate to quite a few people and that's helped me more than anything else has.

nelison · Post by **nelison** » 4/8/2003, 2:50 pm

Yes I've been able to relate to people as well on here but when it comes to something serious we aren't the people to turn to.
what do you say if you have to confront your parents? "ya these guys on a message board think it'd be a good idea for us to get councilling" or "my guidance counsellor thinks we should see someone for counselling"
I know if I were a parent I wouldn't take the advice of some kids on computers over a trained professional

Joey · Post by **Joey** » 4/8/2003, 2:56 pm

Nobody is taking their advice, obviously .. it's simply nice being able to talk to someone who knows and undestands and might be feeling the same thing you are. People like that are more help to me than anyone else. Plus I don't come on here looking for support or 'someone to turn too' .. I simply come here to talk.

nelison · Post by **nelison** » 4/8/2003, 3:00 pm

I think that's what we all do. We just come here because we have a common interest, that being OLP,
I just hope people don't come here seriously looking for advice about serious situations that can be the matter of life/death or anything that can be of harm to yourselves and those around you. That was just the message I was trying to get across.

Sufjan Stevens · Post by **Sufjan Stevens** » 4/8/2003, 3:28 pm

Hey Jim, come out and say it. You have a problem with people on here, mostly me. I mean, not everyone is as quiet and opinionless as you. I said something about my parents and now you went from silent to asshole. Just stop talking in this thread. Stop trying to piss people off, no one wants to hear your stupid opinion anyway.

happening fish · Post by **happening fish** » 4/8/2003, 3:44 pm

Ok, that was the Alan version, now this is the Alex version.

Jim. Buddy. I know you're well-meaning, but the truth is that life's problems are never as simple as someone on the outside thinks they seem. Obviously, you have not experienced any major emotional or personal problems, or perhaps you have and you are a special breed of person who can take it all in stride. Now, most people, myself included, just can't do that. I realize that you're only trying to help and that your seemingly harsh words stem only from some slight naivety in this subject, but sometimes people just need to vent. Dig?

sandsleeper · Post by **sandsleeper** » 4/8/2003, 3:58 pm

nursing homes. :evil:

nelison · Post by **nelison** » 4/8/2003, 5:57 pm

Kiss me once in the snow wrote:Hey Jim, come out and say it. You have a problem with people on here, mostly me. I mean, not everyone is as quiet and opinionless as you. I said something about my parents and now you went from silent to asshole. Just stop talking in this thread. Stop trying to piss people off, no one wants to hear your stupid opinion anyway.

see man, thats what I said about you thinking everyone is after you. I (as Alex noticed) never meant for this to be an attack against anyone. You seemed to think it was a clearcut attack purposely set out towards you. Well buddy wake up and realize that not everyone is trying their hardest to piss you off. I wasn't attempting to be an asshole as you seemed to think (probably because I was "attacking you").

My reasoning behind my posts is that I want to be a psych major next year. I believe that problems can be easily solved if people are willing to solve them. That's why I want to be involved in psych in one aspect or another simply so that way I can help kids, teenagers, anyone get through the problems that you may be going through right now.

I don't have a problem with anyone on here, if I did I wouldn't stick around, it's not worth the hassle to just come around here and "attack" people, I'd have better things to do if that were the case.
So please before you go making an ass of YOURSELF, look at things from others perspectives and try to understand what I'm saying. If you noticed Jo and I have been discussing this with the prospects of me trying to understand where you guys are coming from.

No wonder why people get so mad at you Alan, you believe the entire world is after you. Well guess what bud, we're not.

Alex... yes I may be somewhat naive but as I just explained to Alan none of it was meant in any sort of harm towards anyone here, I was merely trying to get a grasp of what you guys may be going through. So if I did in fact hurt your feelings I do apologize, as I never meant for that to occur, thanks.

Joey · Post by **Joey** » 4/8/2003, 7:09 pm

I think the reason it seems 'harsh' is because you sort of lost credability when you said you can't really relate to any of this. So basically you're on the outside looking in and trying to understand, and there's nothing wrong with that. You just have to realize that people's problems/issues whatever, go a lot deeper than I'm sure you can even imagine. So when you're talking about it being so easy to get help, that comes off the wrong way. If it was so easy to get help, there wouldn't be so many fucked up people in this world and if you want to major in psych then you will need to learn to sort of step back and look at it from another person's perspective, once you know the full story .. and in none of these cases do you know the full story, so you can't really make it seem so easy, it's not .. working with kids who have emotional problems is very tough, definitely not easy and these kids aren't gonna want to be told "ok, here's what you do, it's real easy." Nothing in life is easy.

I guess what I'm trying to say is .. while you're trying to understand what it's like, don't downplay people's problems as something easily fixed with 1 phone call, that's all.

happening fish · Post by **happening fish** » 4/8/2003, 7:53 pm

lol, Jim's getting ganged up on

Joey · Post by **Joey** » 4/8/2003, 7:55 pm

My intention isn't to gang up on anyone :neutral: