Our Lady Peace's Future - I gotta say this...

Fabio_kun · Post by **Fabio_kun** » 5/17/2003, 3:09 pm

Johnathan wrote:Well..we all have opinions eh?

I suppose

Cheers.

Furious George · Post by **Furious George** » 5/17/2003, 3:12 pm

Just lately I've been starting to really appreciate the work on Gravity, but I do have to agree with you Fabio_kun on some points. For one thing, the band's comments are really unclear and confusing.

We've all heard Raine's hostility towards Mike and how he was "limiting the band"...that kind of thing just makes me ask what kind of sound was Mike attempting? Can it be that a large part of OLP's previous sound was a result of Mike? I don't know, but the unclear comments are really aggravating.

And then there's the comment that bothers me even more: "Gravity is the record that we've always wanted to make." Then why was it so radically different from everything else? Why did the previous albums not lead up to Gravity's sound? This also brings back into the picture whether a main part of their previous sound stemmed from Mike.

Fabio_kun · Post by **Fabio_kun** » 5/17/2003, 3:20 pm

Furious George wrote:Just lately I've been starting to really appreciate the work on Gravity, but I do have to agree with you Fabio_kun on some points. For one thing, the band's comments are really unclear and confusing.

We've all heard Raine's hostility towards Mike and how he was "limiting the band"...that kind of thing just makes me ask what kind of sound was Mike attempting? Can it be that a large part of OLP's previous sound was a result of Mike? I don't know, but the unclear comments are really aggravating.

And then there's the comment that bothers me even more: "Gravity is the record that we've always wanted to make." Then why was it so radically different from everything else? Why did the previous albums not lead up to Gravity's sound? This also brings back into the picture whether a main part of their previous sound stemmed from Mike.

TADAM, finally someone got my point!
It just doesn't make that much sense that Arnold Lanni and Mike were that much responsible for the old OLP sound... does that make any sense? I hope so

Anyway, I also appreciate the music in Gravity. Whenever I listen to it I sing a long with every tune and stuff, it's not that I don't like it, it's just that I think it's their weakest work till now.

Cheers.

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 5/17/2003, 3:26 pm

Fabio_kun wrote:I don't think I'm being negative, but rather realistic... all you gotta do is see everything and how they've changed.

What am I supposed to see?

All I see is a band, that has managed to survive for 10 long years while producing very good music along the way and gaining recognition and fans around the world. They managed to survive in a tough business that is the music business. They don't write music to bring in millions upon millions of dollars nor do they write music to win stupid awards. Sure, they changed in the past year and a half but, I think that they changed for the good. Now some of you don't like their change(right Fabio??) but hey? They're doing what they always wanted to do, be a rock band.
I do wish that Emtee was with them still but hey, thats the way it goes.

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 5/17/2003, 3:41 pm

Furious George wrote:We've all heard Raine's hostility towards Mike and how he was "limiting the band"...that kind of thing just makes me ask what kind of sound was Mike attempting? Can it be that a large part of OLP's previous sound was a result of Mike? I don't know, but the unclear comments are really aggravating.

And then there's the comment that bothers me even more: "Gravity is the record that we've always wanted to make." Then why was it so radically different from everything else? Why did the previous albums not lead up to Gravity's sound? This also brings back into the picture whether a main part of their previous sound stemmed from Mike.

Well first of all, I do not like the way that Raine is talking down Mike. Its not called for.

Second, Mike has a certain style as a guitarist. His style wasn't right for gravity. Mike's more of "layed back" type of guitarist whereas Steve is more "agressive" to say the least.
Mike could stayed on with OLP for Gravity but I feel that Mike would felt he woulda been personally "selling out" to him-self. He most probably woulda been un-happy. Why would he stay and do something that he doesnt like doing? He's just not that type of player

Turner is Good

happening fish · Post by **happening fish** » 5/17/2003, 3:45 pm

I can also tell you that he's really displeased by Raine's negative comments about him. Who could blame him?

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 5/17/2003, 3:50 pm

happeninfish wrote:

I can also tell you that he's really displeased by Raine's negative comments about him. Who could blame him?

Tell us!! What does Mike have to say?

Turner is Good

Furious George · Post by **Furious George** » 5/17/2003, 4:25 pm

That's another thing that pissed me off. At first after Mike left the band, Raine was all like "we lost a great guitar player, he was more of an atmospheric guy, but really solid and great", and now he's sort of silently dissing the man saying they restrained them and stuff.

What's the reason behind that? There is so much that the band isn't telling the fans...

I thought Raine was a smart guy but all this bashing is so stupid of him.

Dr. Hobo · Post by **Dr. Hobo** » 5/17/2003, 5:10 pm

maybe theres more to it than we know
maybe theres something from the record company or management thats causing that..
like..
maybe they felt his earlier comments were belittling steve's position in the band or something along those lines if that makes sense
who knows

Joe Cooler · Post by **Joe Cooler** » 5/17/2003, 6:31 pm

Mabye Raine's just a meany

Furious George · Post by **Furious George** » 5/17/2003, 7:01 pm

My major problem is not the record or the new sound, but that the band that I thought I knew so well and could so easily relate to, has suddenly beocme myserious to me.

Btw, Happeninfish.. care to share?

sandsleeper · Post by **sandsleeper** » 5/17/2003, 8:25 pm

happeninfish wrote:

I can also tell you that he's really displeased by Raine's negative comments about him. Who could blame him?

so am i.

Neil · Post by **Neil** » 5/17/2003, 8:41 pm

Johnathan wrote:Musically speaking, Gravity is a simple record. I said this before and I'll say this again, songs don't require complex lyrics and complex music to be good. Thats why I like Gravity so much. Its sooo simple.

I completely agree with ya!

evanw60 · Post by **evanw60** » 5/17/2003, 9:47 pm

I think everyone uses the wrong word in describing the sound of Gravity. Everyone describes it as "simple", but really, if you tried to find them, you could percieve many different meanings from the lyrical content. I think the lyrics are extremely "deep", but they're just about a different, more understandable, and more relatable subject than the other albums. I think Gravity sounds a lot CLEANER, there's less backround noise, most likely because it's Steve and not Mike. As we know, Mike was an ambient guitar player, hence the ambience in all the other records. So, when Mike leaves, so does the ambient sound. I don't understand the whole "Gravity sucks compared to the other albums" bit. Why can't you just enjoy the music for what it is. It IS a cleaner record, and a GREAT one at that.

Fabio_kun · Post by **Fabio_kun** » 5/17/2003, 10:00 pm

I fucking hate the way I can't express myself well in english.
Gah.

:ohwell:

Cheers.

Dr. Hobo · Post by **Dr. Hobo** » 5/17/2003, 10:08 pm

evanw60 wrote:I think everyone uses the wrong word in describing the sound of Gravity. Everyone describes it as "simple", but really, if you tried to find them, you could percieve many different meanings from the lyrical content. I think the lyrics are extremely "deep", but they're just about a different, more understandable, and more relatable subject than the other albums. I think Gravity sounds a lot CLEANER, there's less backround noise, most likely because it's Steve and not Mike. As we know, Mike was an ambient guitar player, hence the ambience in all the other records. So, when Mike leaves, so does the ambient sound. I don't understand the whole "Gravity sucks compared to the other albums" bit. Why can't you just enjoy the music for what it is. It IS a cleaner record, and a GREAT one at that.

steve only played on 2 songs.. or parts of 3.. i cant remember off the top of my head.. he was asked about it in dayton at his first few shows and he said then that he only played on SOT, story about a girl and i think made of steel .. i dunno. i'll have to ask my friends who were with me about it.. i cant quite remember right now

Corey · Post by **Corey** » 5/17/2003, 10:12 pm

Maybe "All For You" was about Mike.

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 5/17/2003, 10:43 pm

I highly doubt that

neoncrossing · Post by **neoncrossing** » 5/17/2003, 10:45 pm

I think Mike played on All For You....And Steve must have played on Do You Like It cause they wrote that song after they started mixing the album, then put it on the cd. Steve was definitely in the band at that point!

nelison · Post by **nelison** » 5/17/2003, 10:52 pm

okay, where to start...

first off, there definately is more behind this Mike/Raine story than we know (at least until the "behind the music" special comes out

) Mike is a fantastic guitarist, but obviously him and the band were headed in different directions. He pretty well brought in the idea for SM, and I bet it was kinda difficult for the rest of the band to really get into it. It was more like "ya, ok, we can do that, we are an intelligent band after all". But as we all know from school or work or whatever, if one person is persistent about ideas that he has that are not liked by the rest of the group than it pretty well sucks. I think with Mike in the group they would have possibly split up after SM.

Steve comes in to the picture now, the band as a whole gets to start over and it's a fresh start for all. They have a chance to rebuild themselves into something they want to be.

As for the music videos. Innocent was not a bad video. SOT maybe could have done without the close ups of Raine, but it was a live video, just like IAH and Naveed, nothing wrong with that. Look at Automatic Flowers, that video could have been made by a 12 year old with a video camera, but yet it's not considered "simple". Thief is rather simple as well. I think most people understand the symbolism of the rain, so really there is nothing left to analyze beyond that. Gravity was meant to draw new fans. They have a core group of people who follow them around but I think its every artist's goal to reach new people. Not every band can be Radiohead and produce mind-numbing albums that you have a dictionary and thesaurus along just to understand it. The band has done the complex stuff, they're just trying out something new. They'll learn from every experience and if you keep doing the same thing over and over again how can you possibly learn?

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