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Moore's Fahrenheit fever inspires a Celsius sequel
September 17, 2004

Los Angeles: A conservative American grass-roots group and a leading Hollywood Republican are teaming up to deliver a rejoinder to Fahrenheit 9/11, Michael Moore's documentary about President George Bush.

Celsius 41.11 is to have its premiere in Washington on September 28. The title alludes to the temperature at which the brain deteriorates from heat - in this case, from Moore's left-wing rhetoric, said the writer-producer Lionel Chetwynd, one of Hollywood's most vocal Republicans. "You tell enough lies, and the brain starts to die," he said on Wednesday.

Financial backing for Celsius 41.11 came from Citizens United, a group that claims more than 100,000 conservative members.

"With only six weeks, start to finish, we don't expect to hit a home run, like Moore," said its president, Dave Bossie. "But we're hoping for a solid single that will educate people and influence the political debate."

Moore, whose Fahrenheit 9/11 has taken $118.3 million ($170 million) domestically to become the highest-grossing documentary ever, could not be reached for comment.

Mr Bossie said he came up with the idea for a Republican counterpoint in July and immediately thought of Chetwynd as writer-producer. Chetwynd and his frequent partner, Ted Steinberg, produced and wrote the film.

"What was getting to me was Michael Moore's almost preternatural obsession with getting rid of Bush," Chetwynd said.

"We set out to analyse the cause of this deep-seated hatred, the contention that Bush stole Florida, used the Patriot Act to rob people of their civil rights, misled the nation about weapons of mass destruction. We're also examining the 'anybody but Bush' rationale, comparing the policies of Bush and [Senator John] Kerry, shining a spotlight on the 'anybody' they found. Rather than doing a hit piece like Moore, we're taking the high road - to the extent that anyone can in this election."

Los Angeles Times

*snigger*

It will be interesting to see what this film has to say on Mr Moore

There have already have been quite a few films made in response to Fahrenheit 9/11 including "DC 9/11: Time of Crisis" and "Michael Moore Hates America."

Here's where republicans confuse me. If Michael Moore is truly telling 'lies' about george bush and the actions of his administration, then that is slander, an illegal offense which Moore could be prosecuted for. So why don't they take Moore to court and put a stop to these 'lies'?

but none of those have the cool title though do they?!

Korzic wrote:but none of those have the cool title though do they?!

I thought "Michael Moore Hates America" was pretty cool.

Dabekk wrote:Here's where republicans confuse me. If Michael Moore is truly telling 'lies' about george bush and the actions of his administration, then that is slander, an illegal offense which Moore could be prosecuted for. So why don't they take Moore to court and put a stop to these 'lies'?

Because in the legal sense it isn't a lie. To all of us it may as well be but it isn't legally a lie. Its selective cutting and pasting and insinuating things.

To giv eyou an example. Today you say. I love my team because we bond well together. Tomorrow you say in an entirely different conversation. My sex life is great and I love my wife.

Take another set of circumstances Say, your parents horror over you breaking a vase when you were 3.

What Michael Moore does is stitch that together. ie I love my team. My sex life is great. throw in pictures of your parents horror, and whats implied is that your parents know you have group sex with your sporting team. Now, everything he has said in that is true. Its just all been misrepresented and taken well out of context.

1. You did say you love your team
2. You did say your sex life was great
3. That is a picture of your parents in horror.

EVERYTHING he put forward is true. But depending on which context you take it as, determines what meaning you glean from it. You dont see the bits at the end of each of your quotes. It's implied you said it all together at the one place and time. Rather than on 2 different days in 2 entirely different situations.

Its an overly simple example but i think it makes my point.

Joe Cool wrote:

Korzic wrote:but none of those have the cool title though do they?!

I thought "Michael Moore Hates America" was pretty cool.

except there's nothing that leads us to believe that Mike hates America

Korzic wrote:

Dabekk wrote:Here's where republicans confuse me. If Michael Moore is truly telling 'lies' about george bush and the actions of his administration, then that is slander, an illegal offense which Moore could be prosecuted for. So why don't they take Moore to court and put a stop to these 'lies'?

Because in the legal sense it isn't a lie. To all of us it may as well be but it isn't legally a lie. Its selective cutting and pasting and insinuating things.

To giv eyou an example. Today you say. I love my team because we bond well together. Tomorrow you say in an entirely different conversation. My sex life is great and I love my wife.

Take another set of circumstances Say, your parents horror over you breaking a vase when you were 3.

What Michael Moore does is stitch that together. ie I love my team. My sex life is great. throw in pictures of your parents horror, and whats implied is that your parents know you have group sex with your sporting team. Now, everything he has said in that is true. Its just all been misrepresented and taken well out of context.

1. You did say you love your team
2. You did say your sex life was great
3. That is a picture of your parents in horror.

EVERYTHING he put forward is true. But depending on which context you take it as, determines what meaning you glean from it. You dont see the bits at the end of each of your quotes. It's implied you said it all together at the one place and time. Rather than on 2 different days in 2 entirely different situations.

Its an overly simple example but i think it makes my point.

I admit that a lot of what moore does is link a lot of facts that may or may not have any influnce on each other. However, in my opinion there are enough cold hard facts alone in that documentary to severly discredit Bush and many things that he has done to the world. Besides, from experience I learned that most often when there is smoke there is most often fire. So, if we knew the absolute truth, maybe not all of moores dots would connect, but you'd have to think that at least a few of them would. Hey, speaking of 'where there's smoke there's fire', Bush could learn something from that. See, all along he was looking for a 'smoking gun', but he never found one. Maybe that has something to do with the fact that there still haven't been any w.m.ds found, and why no one has yet found a connection between Al Quaeda and Sadam Hussein. I guess, you need something called evidence. Funny how moore seems to have a lot of that.

One good lie doesnt justify another though.

But still, moore has the evidence and Bush has....well nothing but his word.

Dabekk wrote:I admit that a lot of what moore does is link a lot of facts that may or may not have any influnce on each other. However, in my opinion there are enough cold hard facts alone in that documentary to severly discredit Bush and many things that he has done to the world. Besides, from experience I learned that most often when there is smoke there is most often fire. So, if we knew the absolute truth, maybe not all of moores dots would connect, but you'd have to think that at least a few of them would. Hey, speaking of 'where there's smoke there's fire', Bush could learn something from that. See, all along he was looking for a 'smoking gun', but he never found one. Maybe that has something to do with the fact that there still haven't been any w.m.ds found, and why no one has yet found a connection between Al Quaeda and Sadam Hussein. I guess, you need something called evidence. Funny how moore seems to have a lot of that.

taping together bits and pieces of material to make a quasi-true statement does not make those said statements cold hard facts. to be honest with you, both movies will be propaganda, and do we really need more propaganda?

NO republican can even try to call Moore a liar, look at your president for Christs sake!

but i can call them both liars.

i wonder if i'll be able to see this movie.....