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http://www.canada.com/national/story.as ... 8107e60828

the worst part is, venom probably thinks this guy is a terrorist.

this is what your war on terrorism leads to and creates. we know that this is not an isolated incident, this is not the first innocent man your war on terrorism has persecuted.

wake the fuck up, please. you are not winning over the hearts and minds of anybody by doing this to anyone. this is not fucking acceptable if it helps you catch bin laden - which it hasn't. and who the fuck knows if bin laden had anything to do with 9/11 or any of the bullshit since.

i'd sure love to hear the rationalization for this one. i'm waiting. venom, you start.

Sounds like the horrible stuff that happened to him was NOT by Americans it was his own home country. Obviously Syria wanted him back for some reason and the US sent him back. What happened to him there isn't the US's fault. I'd also like to see follow up information on this. Is there any stories in the CAnadian media about this incident? If it indeed happened as he says your government and media would be making it a huge issue. So if it did indeed happen I'm sure there will be plenty of information on it. Get me a Canadian government source that backs this up. For being tortured so much he is really good at remembering dates, and details. Until this is backed up with more than his story I'll hold off on any furthur comment.

it has been all over the national news for weeks. we'll see if they launch a full inquiry into why he was held.

but make no mistake, venom. this happened because of the WOT.

Venom wrote:Sounds like the horrible stuff that happened to him was NOT by Americans it was his own home country...What happened to him there isn't the US's fault.

Errr... did you read the part where the US agents violated the civil rights of a person who was a citizen of a foreign country (Canada) and packed him off to another country without looking into his claim that he would be tortured there?

Venom wrote:Is there any stories in the CAnadian media about this incident?

Well, if you look, that website is canada.com. Seems like a giveaway to me. I've also seen several articles about this in each of the three major newspapers (Toronto Star, Hamilton Spectator, Globe and Mail) that I receive.

doug wrote:this is what your war on terrorism leads to and creates. we know that this is not an isolated incident, this is not the first innocent man your war on terrorism has persecuted.

wow, i didn't know that because i live here it is automatically my war. funny, no one even asked me about it.

Why is it that the US seems to think that it doesn't have to uphold international agreements. First the treatment of the prisoners on Guantanamo Bay, then invading Iraq without UN-permission and now this (well, not really now, as this has been going on forever). If you're not going to stick to these international laws, why sign them.

You can't just deny people a lawyer because they're from a different country, you can't just deport someone because another country asks to do so, the international community has made clear procedures to prevent these kind of things from happening, but the US seems to think they can make their own rules and act according to what they think is right.

(and with the US I don't mean every single American, but the people who made the decisions to do these things)

venom wrote:What happened to him there isn't the US's fault.

uh, yeah it is. they arrested him for NO REASON and then deported him.

megxyz128 wrote:
wow, i didn't know that because i live here it is automatically my war. funny, no one even asked me about it.

did you vote?

if you're not old enough, are you planning on it?

http://www.freemaherarar.com/

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/arar/

This site contains a list of articles pertaining to Arar
http://www.montrealmuslimnews.net/ararfile.htm

More articles on the case...
http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=Maher%20Arar%20&ei=UTF-8&cop=mss&fr=fp-tab-web-t

And more articles...
http://search.canoe.ca/canoe/?lr=canoesearch&q=Maher+Arar&ad=w5n2&client=netgraphe2&ie=latin1&oe=latin1&output=xml_no_dtd&ip=205.237.234.78&userid=netgraphe2&hl=en&userip=205.237.234.78&start=0&num=20&adtest=off&x=9&y=11


The Canadian govt didn't do the best job of getting him back to his home country, but why was he sent to Syria in the first place when he has lived in Canada for half his life?

I'd also like to point you to Matt Good's journal as he has spoken out about this issue on many occasions.
http://www.nationofcool.com/black.php

If this was an American traveling to Canada, and then sent to Syria by the Canadian Govt, this would be plastered across American news.

Prime Minister Jean Chrétien tells the House of Commons that the U.S. government's deportation of a Canadian to Syria was "unacceptable," but he is adamant that he will not allow an independent inquiry into the case of Maher Arar. He says his government has asked U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell for an explanation and that the government also wants to find out whether Canadian intelligence officials played a role in the deportation of Arar.

Whats wrong with an independant inquiry into the man? Obviously when this mans name was input into a computer a red flag came up that he was wanted by the Syrian government. He IS a citizen of Syria which gives Syria the right to demand his return. Is there proof that he wasn't a member of the "Muslim Brotherhood"? I mean other than from his mouth?

Do you ever admit that your government has done something wrong? It would be like a friend of mine who was born in Jamaica, and living in the US for over half his life getting sent back to Jamaica while trying to enter into Canada. It makes no sense what so ever.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1067987409910&call_pageid=968332188774&col=968350116467

WELL WELL WELL. THe canadian government too!!

They told the US it was ok to deport him and assisted them!! What next Doug? LOL You think I wasn't gonna research?

That does not justify your country's actions. He is OUR CITIZEN.

NOT YOURS.

You country had no right to interfere in this issue at all.

He was in OUR country. ONE of his countries said he was a risk and we sent him back. We like our criminals sent back to us also. I see no wrong doing. If he was only a Canadian citizen then fine we were wrong but he wasn't!!

Why would they send him to Syria though rather than Canada? It could have been done easily.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=9308

The matter concerns a Syrian-born Canadian citizen, Maher Arar, an Ottawa engineer, who was arrested in New York last September and deported to Syria. Arar, a suspected terrorist, was returning to Canada from Tunisia when the arrest occurred. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police had provided information to American authorities that led to the Syrian-Canadian's detention and deportation, a fact confirmed by both U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell and Paul Cellucci, America's ambassador to Canada. Powell said the RCMP had indicated Arar was connected to al-Qaeda, while Cellucci confirmed the deportee was the subject of a joint Canadian-American investigation before his arrest. Moreover, American authorities also claim the RCMP asked them to deport Arar because it didn't want him back in Canada.

So the there was an investigation before his arrest AND it was the Canadians that asked for him to be deported! Sounds to me that the US consulted with Canadian officials (as they didn’t necessarily have to do since he is a Syrian citizen, but it was noble to do so anyway) beforehand. How again is this Americans wrong doing??

One American official partially answered the question when he said Canadian anti-terrorism forces working in the trenches don't believe the higher-ups in government take the terrorist threat in Canada serious enough. Chretien proved that himself when, immediately after 9/11, he announced there were no terrorist cells in Canada. Again, a Canadian security agency, this time the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, had to go behind his back to the media to set the record straight. It informed the country 50 different terrorist groups were operating within Canada's borders, a fact it had already imparted several times to the prime minister. A vindictive Chretien responded by slashing CSIS's budget for contradicting and embarrassing him in front of the nation.

Very interesting! Sounds like the Canadian government (namely the PM) is putting millions of people at risk over being PERSONALLY embarrassed!

The other part to the answer is that the Liberals are Canada's party of multiculturalism. They fear losing the ethnic votes they need to stay in power, if certain groups become too offended by the War on Terror's security measures. As a result, the Liberals were very slow to outlaw Hezbollah, for example, and still refuse to proscribe the Tamil Tigers, because Canada has the largest Tamil population in the world (about 200,00) outside of Sri Lanka. To Liberals, power has always mattered most. Principle is secondary.

Power over security. This is so funny to me (but at the same time VERY scary) because it is the US president who seems to get most of the criticism. Bush puts HIMSELF and his job at risk by doing what is right (protecting the lives of millions of people) while Chretien would rather protect his job at the potential EXPENSE of millions of people.

Can i ask a question unrelated to the topic? Has the Republican Party ever done ANYTHING immoral? It seems like they're gods to me

I could have sworn the words were interchangable.

lol touche i'll change that

Of course they have, but its funny that you have to change the subject and attack something else when you get this story (the REAL story now) shoved in your faces. This is a classic example of how people blow things way out of proportion. Do some reasearch before you decide you know what happened or else you look really foolish!