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US Drug Czar: Canadians "ashamed" of PM

Posted: 10/10/2003, 11:37 am
by doug
Canadians 'ashamed' of PM?

Sheldon Alberts and Janice Tibbetts
CanWest News Service


Friday, October 10, 2003
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WASHINGTON - The White House's drug czar lashed out Thursday at Jean Chretien for relaxing marijuana laws and said Canadians are "ashamed" over the prime minister's recent jokes about smoking pot when he retires.

John Walters, director of the National Drug Control Policy Office, said Chretien was being irresponsible when he said last week that he might try marijuana when he leaves office next February.

Canadians "are concerned about the behaviour of their prime minister, joking that he is going to use marijuana in his retirement," Walters said to the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

"They're ashamed."

Canada is "the one place in the hemisphere where things are going the wrong (way) rapidly," Walters added. "It's the only country in this hemisphere that's become a major drug producer instead of reducing their drug production."

Justice Minister Martin Cauchon, who is shepherding the federal government's marijuana legislation through the House of Commons, responded that Walters should "look in his own backyard" before criticizing Chretien.

"There are over 10 states that have in place what we call alternative penalties, so you know, if it is not correct to move in that direction, maybe he should spend some time talking to his own states," Cauchon said.

Walters' criticisms of Chretien came after an effort by the prime minister to make light of his government's controversial decriminalization legislation.

In an interview with the Winnipeg Free Press, Chretien said he had never tested marijuana, but might once decriminalization legislation is approved by Parliament.

"I don't know what is marijuana. Perhaps I will try it when it will no longer be criminal," he said. "I will have money for my fine and a joint in the other hand."

Jim Munson, Chretien's director of communications, declined to comment on Walters' claim that Canadians are ashamed of their leader.

"I am not going to get into those kind of comments. I mean, they have their point of view and we have our point of view," Munson said.

The prime minister, while joking about his own lack of personal experience with marijuana, also spoke about the need to crack down on growers and dealers of pot, Munson said.

The Chretien government is fast-tracking its legislation through the House of Commons in a bid to ensure it receives final passage through Parliament by the end of the fall session.

Prime minister-in-waiting Paul Martin has been lukewarm to decriminalization and it is expected the bill would be reviewed if it doesn't pass before Chretien leaves office early next year.

The bill was handed Thursday to a special parliamentary committee, instead of the busy Commons justice committee, which wouldn't be able to hold public hearings on the controversial legislation until after Christmas.

The marijuana bill proposes to decriminalize possession of 15 grams or less, so that people would be fined from $100 to $400 instead of receiving criminal records. But it also seeks to strengthen penalties against marijuana grow operations.

The federal government, which is under intense pressure to toughen its bill, is seriously considering several amendments. They are:

- Lowering the amount of pot that would escape criminal charges to 10 grams from the current proposal of 15.

- Imposing criminal sanctions instead of fines on people who are repeatedly caught with pot.

- Adding a minimum mandatory sentence for people convicted of running marijuana grow operations. The current bill proposes doubling the maximum penalties, but critics say this is useless because judges seldom impose the top sentence.
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nothing like a little canada vs. usa to get the juices flowing.

Posted: 10/10/2003, 4:22 pm
by happening fish
Oh god, I just love it :lol: We're "the one place in the hemisphere where things are going the wrong (way) rapidly"? Hahahaa :lol: I just LOVE it. Canada gets a bit more relaxed about a harmless chill-out drug and those crazy puritanical war hawks just absolutely lose it. Just shut up and go back to peddling war and death, boys, cause that's obviously a lot more towards the "right way" :lol:

Posted: 10/10/2003, 5:04 pm
by Dabekk
happeningfish wrote::lol: We're "the one place in the hemisphere where things are going the wrong (way) rapidly"? Hahahaa :lol: I just LOVE it


yeah, I enjoyed that too.

Posted: 10/10/2003, 5:09 pm
by Dr. Hobo
:lol:
me three
man i hate jean now
wow
he's gonna smoke a blunt..
hmm i need to find his number.. he prolly has some GREAT bud :lol:

Posted: 10/10/2003, 8:25 pm
by Sufjan Stevens
Fuck, I think it's funny. In my lifetime, the best president I think America's had was Bill Clinton, a guy that smoked pot and liked sex, and didn't lie about it. And in my lifetime, the worst president we've had is GWjr, a guy who lied about doing coke and kills innocent people. Rock on.

In other words, it's just pot people.

Posted: 10/10/2003, 10:56 pm
by thirdhour
i mean, no body freaks out when someone has some social drinks, but smoke a bit of weed, hell no! :lol:

though i do think its kinda creepy when an old guy smokes week, maybe because im just not used to it :freak:

Posted: 10/11/2003, 12:38 am
by saman
way i see it, when he retires, he'll no longer be prime minister, which means he can do whatever the hell he wants and it wouldn't really matter to anyone. stupid politics.

Posted: 10/11/2003, 12:41 am
by Dr. Hobo
hey.. maybe he's legalizing weed so he can become a pothead after running the country.

Posted: 10/11/2003, 12:50 am
by saman
lol! if it's an attempt at placing a name down in canadian history for remembrance, his aim couldn't be more perfect. people would remember him as the pothead PM!

Posted: 10/11/2003, 2:22 am
by Dabekk
thirdhour wrote:i mean, no body freaks out when someone has some social drinks, but smoke a bit of weed, hell no! :lol:

exactly.

Posted: 10/11/2003, 5:26 am
by Axtech
Rufus Wainwright wrote:In my lifetime, the best president I think America's had was Bill Clinton, a guy that smoked pot and liked sex, and didn't lie about it.


"I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

"I smoked marijuana, but didn't inhale."

:P

Posted: 10/11/2003, 6:34 am
by Corey
Rufus Wainwright wrote:In my lifetime, the best president I think America's had was Bill Clinton


That title belongs to my man Ronny. :thumbs:

Posted: 10/11/2003, 9:44 am
by Sufjan Stevens
:lol: I was too young to enjoy the entire Reagen experience, mainly because I was was only 4 when he got out of office. Yeah, I don't remember him much. :lol:

I still like Clinton more than either of the Bush's. That's all I have to say about that.

Posted: 10/11/2003, 6:33 pm
by I AM ME
clinton rules! He was a pretty damn cool prez. As for Jean smoking pot i don't really care, now if he was doing it and getting completely fucked when running our country i would be mad, but fuck it's his life, let him do what he wants after retiring.

one question though, as far as i know, Canada IS NOT legalizing POT! All the conservitives were crapping themselves, esspecially american's ( i'm not trying to star a fight but it's true) Because they thought we were going to make it legal and start selling it in stores. But as far as i know, we're NOT. We're just decriminalizing it meaning people caught with pot under a certain amount considered for personal use, will not get a permanent record and possible jail time. They would just get a fine. Mainly because is it really fair for a 40 year old man to not be able to take his wife and kids to florida because he got caught witha blunt when he was 19? Not to mention currently lots of cops arn't giving tickets because they don't want to screw up a kids life, they're just giving warnings. If it's set as a fine, more people are going to be punished

PPS the same group of people that think dope users should be STRONGLY prosecuted, and given a permanent record are the people who also back a president that got a DUI, had drinking problems, and may have used Cocaine. So the 40 year old can't go to florida, but Georgie can be the president of teh most powerful country in the world?

Posted: 10/11/2003, 6:47 pm
by starvingeyes
clinton, ugh, was a mass murderer whose acts of war and terrorism abroad greatly exceed the admittedly still young bush administrations.

he invaded or attacked <i>eight different nations</i>. his us-led nato bombing of kosovo killed tens of thousands of innocent people, not to mention his campaigns against iraq.

i cannot understand how people who condemn bush for his actions in iraq and afghanistan can praise bill clinton.

Posted: 10/11/2003, 7:12 pm
by Random Name
I have been researching human rights violations in USA for a school paper, and everything I have found has been with the Bush Administratition. Don't get me wrong, Clinton was (obviously) not an angel, but Bush has done things with the war on Iraq that has had some serious fucking impact on places. There are prision detanees that haven't been allowed legal council in over a year and are being kept without a charge. That just isnt right. Being concerned that the PM of canada may smoke a joint in a years time doesn't seem like that big of a deal in comparison.

Posted: 10/11/2003, 10:34 pm
by Neil
sandman wrote::lol:
me three
man i hate jean now
wow
he's gonna smoke a blunt..
hmm i need to find his number.. he prolly has some GREAT bud :lol:



his shits gonna be DANK as hell! :lol: