Theocracy, etc.
did you see the midget next to it? seriously compared to that guy, it's swole! 
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
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I'm not even ready to discuss that one. That is just fucking absurd.
I faced death. I went in with my arms swinging. But I heard my own breath and had to face that I'm still living. I'm still flesh. I hold on to awful feelings. I'm not dead... My chest still draws breath. I hold it. I'm buoyant. There's no end.
that is really dumb i agree on that one forsure, in other news though did you hear how Alabama wants to create a JST, Jesus tax?????? i don't think i can even start on how wrong that is
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
Corey wrote:Now there is a lawsuit to remove beams that remain from the WTC wreckage from the memorial because they happen to resemble a cross. I seriously don't understand these people!
Yeah. A check of CNN, FoxNews, MSNBC, Fark, Slashdot, and a google search all turned up nothing. Explain?
You can't go around building a better world for people. Only people can build a better world for people. Otherwise it's just a cage.
--Terry Pratchett
When it's cold I'd like to die
--Terry Pratchett
When it's cold I'd like to die
Crap urban legend? Listen to talk radio once in a while...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=27989
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=27989
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well, that article is from WND, and those people are CRAZY. I'm not saying there's no lawsuit, because it's clear that there is, but i think that (so far) the only people who care are these Athiests and the guys at WND.
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Corey wrote:Now there is a lawsuit to remove beams that remain from the WTC wreckage from the memorial because they happen to resemble a cross. I seriously don't understand these people!
Yeah, still going with the "no."
"The organization American Atheists is protesting a proposal to use a large steel cross found in the rubble of the World Trade Center in a memorial to victims of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks."
They don't want to tear down beams from the wreckage, they want to keep said beams from being turned into religious monuments that endorse one religion over others.
That being said, the WTC is private property (I think, I guess it is the WORLD trade center, I wonder....hmm. One second. Hey, lookit that. Not private property. Who knew? Anyway), since it is some form of public property, the notion of keeping a cross out of the building does have some backing to it.
Anyway, you were still wrong, since they're not suggesting tearing down beams that "happen to resemble crosses." They're talking about preventing the building of a monument that honors only the Christians who died in the attacks. And that is really rather crude of the supporters of the cross. I mean c'mon.
You can't go around building a better world for people. Only people can build a better world for people. Otherwise it's just a cage.
--Terry Pratchett
When it's cold I'd like to die
--Terry Pratchett
When it's cold I'd like to die
No, Narbus. Actually, YOU are wrong:
http://www.newsday.com/business/printed ... ss-archive
And yes, the beams HAPPEN to look like a cross. I'm pretty sure the survivors had more to worry about than constructing a cross out of the remaining wreckage during the event.
Also, who says the memorial would ONLY be for Christians? (besides racist atheists)
http://www.newsday.com/business/printed ... ss-archive
In late April, New York developer Larry A. Silverstein negotiated a hard-fought winning bid for the famous Twin Towers, two office buildings and a retail mall. The deal, which put the complex under private ownership, closed seven weeks ago.
And yes, the beams HAPPEN to look like a cross. I'm pretty sure the survivors had more to worry about than constructing a cross out of the remaining wreckage during the event.
Also, who says the memorial would ONLY be for Christians? (besides racist atheists)
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Huh. What'dya know. It is private now.
Well then more power to whoever owns it if they want to to this. They own the land, let them do what they want.
A few points though:
Your original statement made it sound like beams that just happened to land appeared to form crosses, and for some reason people were horribly offended by the random shapes. This is not what happened. Someone found a cross, and used it to create a "shrine" of sorts. Your original statement was misleading.
Also a cross is purely a relic of the christian faith. So trying to honor the muslim, islamic, athiest and other non-christians who died by putting up a cross in their honor is similar to erecting the star of david, a crescent moon, or such. If people want to memorialize the victims of the attacks there really are many better ways to go about it, in my opinion.
Well then more power to whoever owns it if they want to to this. They own the land, let them do what they want.
A few points though:
Your original statement made it sound like beams that just happened to land appeared to form crosses, and for some reason people were horribly offended by the random shapes. This is not what happened. Someone found a cross, and used it to create a "shrine" of sorts. Your original statement was misleading.
Also a cross is purely a relic of the christian faith. So trying to honor the muslim, islamic, athiest and other non-christians who died by putting up a cross in their honor is similar to erecting the star of david, a crescent moon, or such. If people want to memorialize the victims of the attacks there really are many better ways to go about it, in my opinion.
You can't go around building a better world for people. Only people can build a better world for people. Otherwise it's just a cage.
--Terry Pratchett
When it's cold I'd like to die
--Terry Pratchett
When it's cold I'd like to die