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Nikki oh Nikkkki, why?

You know what child molesters are fucking creepy people. They are the worst form of life to exist. Yes they are those who have no idea what they are doing and do need pychological help and medication, that's commonly because they were molested themselves when they were children and it happens subconciously. (I did an essay on child molestation in case you want to know my credibility of what I'm saying.) The majority of them are, just sick freaks, who have a fetish for children. Then it becomes this obsession for them, and they do horrible things.

I think we need to make a clear distinction between pedophiles and pedosexuals here. Pedophiles are attracted to children, pedosexuals actually act on that attraction. It's an important difference.

There is nothing disgusting about pedophiles. Pedophilia is not a crime. Personally, I think it is a sexual orientation, like being straight or gay, that you can't help having. Pedophiles just have some extremely bad luck, because it is impossible to have an equal relationship with a child. They have to restrain themselves their entire lives. Do you really think they are sick freaks/deserve to rot in hell/etc when they let slip once? Of course it's a terrible experience for the child, and child molestation should be illegal in order to protect the children, but don't forget there are multiple sides to every story.

Wikipedia wrote:Pedophile is not a legal category or term. Although the acts that molesters carry out are criminal in most jurisdictions, they are not legally referred to as pedophilia. However, newspapers and other news media frequently make erroneous use of the terms accused pedophile or convicted pedophile in reference to individuals accused or convicted of sexual abuse of children.

Lydia wrote:I think we need to make a clear distinction between pedophiles and pedosexuals here. Pedophiles are attracted to children, pedosexuals actually act on that attraction. It's an important difference.

There is nothing disgusting about pedophiles. Pedophilia is not a crime. Personally, I think it is a sexual orientation, like being straight or gay, that you can't help having. Pedophiles just have some extremely bad luck, because it is impossible to have an equal relationship with a child. They have to restrain themselves their entire lives. Do you really think they are sick freaks/deserve to rot in hell/etc when they let slip once? Of course it's a terrible experience for the child, and child molestation should be illegal in order to protect the children, but don't forget there are multiple sides to every story.

Wikipedia wrote:Pedophile is not a legal category or term. Although the acts that molesters carry out are criminal in most jurisdictions, they are not legally referred to as pedophilia. However, newspapers and other news media frequently make erroneous use of the terms accused pedophile or convicted pedophile in reference to individuals accused or convicted of sexual abuse of children.

Once is still once too many. They may be attracted to children but that doesn't give them the right to molest children. Children are too young to understand, so they cannot give consent, and as a mature logical adult they should be able to realise that they can't act on those feelings. All of us here are attracted to someone. But most people don't go and just touch others in a sexual fashion without permission. People are forced to control their urges all the time.

Which is why we're defending the illness of pedophiles and pedosexuals and not they're actions. We understand that forcing, coercing, tricking or having any sort of sexual relationship with a child is wrong and disgusting.

Reza, I do agree with you about pedophilia being an illness but if someone acts on it, they should definitely be punished while getting treatment at the same time.

However, has anyone here considered the remote possibility that some pedophiles are aware of their thoughts/actions yet feel no remorse for them? Those people suffer from antisocial personality disorder..another illness...that's what Paul Bernardo had. That guy obviously needs help but no way do I wanna see him released ever. That might sound harsh but such illnesses are often hard to treat. Who knows? Such reckless behaviour could possibly appear in the future and I don't like the idea of society taking chances again.

J-Neli wrote:That is pretty freaky. Luckily he'll be behind bars, where hopefully he'll get some help for this.

just out of curiosity, how did you find out he's the same guy as the one who joined the CM/hub?

get some help? umm I dont think prison is set up to give people help. he will probably be abused by other inmates. its actually quite sad

J-Neli wrote:I feel sorry for sex offenders only because I wonder about the psychology behind the actions. In this case where there was some stalking I don't know if I feel sorry for him, but in cases where you find adults falling in love with children (a la that school teacher who had 2 children with one of her students) I often think about history and how it was common for girls to marry at 13 (this is still common in other countries). I also wonder about whether soul mates exist, and if so do they have to exist only between people of roughly the same age? I mean whose to say that someone's soul mate couldn't be someone 15-20 years younger. I dunno... Just a couple thoughts, which really don't have a whole lot to do with this case.

yes but that is when two people love each other on a mutual level, its a whole different thing when someone is "priming" a 10 year old kid to do sexual things and exposing himself, coercing things into something sexual, thats not love at all. its using that child and trying to get him to do sexual things, or even looking at him in a sexual way is "using" him. thats not true friendship or love at all.
this kid who was dong this is only 24, still a kid himself, but there have been 12 year olds convicted of rape, so age isnt the issue, but he was manipulating situations and going out of his way to be near them, and this only points to the fact he was positioning himself to get sexually involved, or coercing something sexual out of the kids. yes it is an obsession basically, a selfish obsession because it doesnt take the kids welfare into consideration at all, and it not love in that respect.

whoa, someone seems to be picking at my posts for some reason (not to mention they were your first two posts on the CM lol) I guess I owe some sort of reply then eh? lol...

get some help? umm I dont think prison is set up to give people help. he will probably be abused by other inmates. its actually quite sad

I agree with you on this. We discussed the role of prisons a few months back and I think we came to a consensus that there definitely needs to be a form of rehabilitation. I don't know exactly what occurs in the prison system. I would like to assume that there is a form of counselling available to the prisoners to get the help they need/want, but I don't know anyone who works in the system, or has spent a considerable amount of time in the system to know for certain what occurs.

jerfan1 wrote:

J-Neli wrote: I feel sorry for sex offenders only because I wonder about the psychology behind the actions. In this case where there was some stalking I don't know if I feel sorry for him, but in cases where you find adults falling in love with children (a la that school teacher who had 2 children with one of her students) I often think about history and how it was common for girls to marry at 13 (this is still common in other countries). I also wonder about whether soul mates exist, and if so do they have to exist only between people of roughly the same age? I mean whose to say that someone's soul mate couldn't be someone 15-20 years younger. I dunno... Just a couple thoughts, which really don't have a whole lot to do with this case.

yes but that is when two people love each other on a mutual level, its a whole different thing when someone is "priming" a 10 year old kid to do sexual things and exposing himself, coercing things into something sexual, thats not love at all. its using that child and trying to get him to do sexual things, or even looking at him in a sexual way is "using" him. thats not true friendship or love at all.
this kid who was dong this is only 24, still a kid himself, but there have been 12 year olds convicted of rape, so age isnt the issue, but he was manipulating situations and going out of his way to be near them, and this only points to the fact he was positioning himself to get sexually involved, or coercing something sexual out of the kids. yes it is an obsession basically, a selfish obsession because it doesnt take the kids welfare into consideration at all, and it not love in that respect.

I agree. That's why I said my post had little to do with the conversation. My point involved sexual offenders who are accused of relations with a minor who consents. There are a number of cases of student/teacher relationships where both parties felt they were in love but were still persecuted for their crimes. That was merely the point I was trying to convey, and really it didn't have much to do with this specific situation. I don't know if you missed the disclaimer I wrote at the end of my post but ya... no biggie.

Just a question though... why out of the 80 posts did you single out my two and no others? just seemed a little strange.

J-Neli wrote: Just a question though... why out of the 80 posts did you single out my two and no others? just seemed a little strange.

I had no intention of sounding like I was picking on your post
I think we are in agreement here more or less. I used to post occasionally under another handle but have only been a lurker in the past months and I didn't want to get flamed I hadnt made it thru the entire thread I just wanted to throw my two cents in on the article posted
no hard feelins

J-Neli wrote:Just a question though... why out of the 80 posts did you single out my two and no others? just seemed a little strange.

Yeah, that's what I was wondering as well.

I'm too lazy to quote people so please bare with me.

Prisons do offer counselling to the inmates but sadly they don't have the funds to give counselling to all the inmates. Most sexual offenders never recieve any counselling. (I cited all this back in another thread somewhere if someone remembers where it was). A teacher can not have a sexual relationship with his/her student because the teacher is in a position of power or authority over the student which makes it statuatory rape if the student is under 18. This is Canadian law I am speaking about by the way it may be different in other countries. In Canadian law, once someone is 14 years old they can have sex with anybody they want too as long as their partner is also 14 years of age or older, and provided their partner is not in a position of power or authority over them or vice versa. This does mean that a 14 year old could have a sexual relationship with a 90 year old without any legal repercussions. Yes it does sound very wrong, but that is the law in Canada. I'm not making it up I learned it in my Canadian law class. I'm not mistaken either, I had my teacher clarify about 3 times, including that situation mentioned above with the 14 year old and 19 year old. Just for a random fact of knowledge, the legal age to consent to your own marriage in Canada is 11. So you can be married at 11 but you can't have sex until you're 14.

No problem jerfan. Just thought it was funny is all

I was just wondering, when you say a child is too young to understand, what is your definition of child? Obviously you don't mean undernineteen, but what age range are you referring to?

According to the law, a child is anyone under the age of 14. If you are below the age of 14 then you cannot legally consent to sex. I follow that guideline myself. The age ranges set out by the law were determined by pychological rules. There are different developmental stages of the mind. The first 2 stages are the ones that children fall into. They believe that authority figures are always right and you must do as they say, because they are bigger and older, so they must be right. If you don't follow orders bad things will happen. Once stage 3 is reached in the teen years, people become functioning members of society, and are no longer "children". That's not to say that there are not exceptions, some people mature quicker, or slower than others. But in general it's around the age of 14 that views become clearer, and you have more control over your hormones, so you can make a rational decision on sex instead of being totally controlled by hormones.