I would have to agree with that. That is much of how I interpret the album as well.Tattooed Angels wrote:I always associated the songs on gravity about RELATIONSHIPS in genereal. Whether it be between friends, lovers, family , or work.. I even think the title GRAVITY comes from that. Gravity keep sus grounded to Earth right? SO I felt that relationships is what keeps us grounded in out lives. That is my interpation of Gravity.
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<nam_kablam> I'll be naked holding a ":O" sign while pumping their door
Well, yeah... in her post, Sarah did say that having your own opinion is fine, but if there's no evidence in the song to back up your interpretation other than 1 or 2 lines, then it doesn't make sense to her. She's not trying to start anything either.petersl1 wrote:i need evidence to back up my song intrepretation? God, I know why Nikki doesn't come here anymore. God forbid anyone have an opinion on anything. And God forbid that opinion be different from someone else's.
This is a joke.
I'm interested by this sort of conversation, and hearing what people think about different songs. I'm even going to add an ability on bringbackthesun.com for members to post comments in the song pages. I don't really see any reason for people to be getting upset because someone else has a different interpretation than them, or disagrees with their interpretation as long as they do so respectfully, and Sarah certainly has.
Let's assume this song is about someone Raine is close to. So here we go:
I think this first verse is fairly clear that the "suburban man" is some sort of authority figure -- he wants discipline, control over the way I live, the best for me, and an old school philosophy. Sounds like someone is trying to force some "old school philosophy" on Raine and he just doesn't want it. I think the old school philosophy is Catholicism, because that fits in with the rest of the interpretation, but perhaps it could be something else. "At my door but I don't think I'll let him in?" If this is taken literally, then it could be some sort of missionary or someone going from house to house. However it could be metaphorical, and the door is Raine's ears, so to speak... he's just not going to listen to what this guy has to say. The big clue that the "suburban man" is Raine's father would be the lines "he's a part of me / buy me anything but I just need a friend."A suburban man at my door
But I don’t think I’ll let him in
He wants discipline
Discipline, control over the way I live
Wants the best for me
An old school philosophy
But I can’t turn my back on him
He’s a part of me
Buy me anything but I just need a friend
Now this verse is less straight-forward. I haven't read On the Road, but an editorial review from Publisher's Weekly says "First published in 1957, Kerouac's perennially hot story continues to express the restless energy and desire for freedom that makes people rush out to see the world." This fits in with the idea of Raine wanting to find his own way in the world rather than having his dad's faith force-fed to him. He doesn't see how his father's faith is relevant to his own life, and he feels that it is based on blind faith rather than intelligence, perhaps. I'm not sure how the tattoo or sex fits into it, maybe he was a rebellious kid. I'm sure whatever wild adventures Raine had when he got out to find his own way in the world left him feeling like a whore. The rest of the verse would fit in with the song being about his father. If I remember correctly, his parents split up when he was a kid.Jack Kerouac K-K-K-Kerouac
On the road and in my head
I need rrelevance, intelligence
A new tattoo a lot more sex
Broken families
A new enemy
And you will not make up for this
This suburban man he wants discipline
But I just need a friend
Most of the chorus, on its own, could be interpreted to be about basically anyone that Raine is close to. But one line especially doesn't really fit in if you're to believe it is about Chantal: "you're the blood of a seed and it's all that I need." What exactly is the blood of a seed supposed to be? It could be a fancy way of saying that you're my father, that my genes come from your blood and your body. This is the only thing I've ever been able to come up for that line.It’s all for you
You got me where you want
It’s all for you, oh
Just stop breaking my heart
You’re the blood of a seed and it's all that I need
Got me where you want
It’s all for you, oh
You got me, oh, you got me
I just don't see very much backing up the idea that the song has anything to do with Chantal, there isn't very much in the song to back that up that I'm aware of. I think that's all Sarah was saying.
-Josh
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Herm. I appear to be a conversation killer.
Yes. I hope he tours like mad. People like it when other people tour. It makes all parties happy.
Yes. I hope he tours like mad. People like it when other people tour. It makes all parties happy.
-Sarah
Goodbye you liar,
Well you sipped from the cup but you don't own up to anything
Then you think you will inspire
Take apart your head
(and I wish I could inspire)
Take apart your demons, then you add it to the list.
Goodbye you liar,
Well you sipped from the cup but you don't own up to anything
Then you think you will inspire
Take apart your head
(and I wish I could inspire)
Take apart your demons, then you add it to the list.
I'm actually mildly excited about this. There's a good chance for this to be decent.
If it's not though I think that's gonna be the final nail in the coffin for me. I hope not though Raine is too talented to be wasting away with stuff like he does. Hell if it means going back to Arnold and letting him co-write and throw around ideas, so be it.
If it's not though I think that's gonna be the final nail in the coffin for me. I hope not though Raine is too talented to be wasting away with stuff like he does. Hell if it means going back to Arnold and letting him co-write and throw around ideas, so be it.
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
Raine has a song called "One Second Change" up on his MySpace, y'all. myspace is being unworky so I can't listen to it, but maybe someone else can? SOMEONE TELL US WHAT THE SONG IS LIKE.
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I just clicked on it like 5 times and it eventually played, it is really different. It is very un OLP. He sings about how trey parker and matt stone have taken over the mission . There are violins and stuff at the beginning. Very poetic
Chorus
We try and fight
But this wars to high
Have we lost tonight
But one second chance could change everything
Chorus
We try and fight
But this wars to high
Have we lost tonight
But one second chance could change everything
Unfuck The World
I think I like it, but I'm no fan of the clapping during the song.
Lyrics:
I saw Abbey Hoffman's ghost in the distance
We got Saul Williams keeping up the resistance
And punk rock and blues music keeps on dying
We keep buying
Matt Stone and Trey Parker are taking over the mission
'Cause our politicians, they don't have a position
Who's to blame for this shallow existence
Our existence
We try and fight but this wall's too high
Have we lost tonight?
But one second chance could change everything
I think I'll go write my senator a letter
They just talk shit, they ain't gonna make nothing better
Me and them, we two birds of a feather
Of a feather
I'm counting on Chomsky, [? -- this is another name and sounds like it could be McMullen or McLuhen or something similar... I googled these names and couldn't find anything convincing me that either of those were right though]
Aldous Huxley and the intelligence here
And Cat Stevens, he got out and he ain't missing, yeah
And this overpriced and candy coated life
Does it fit you? Does it fit you?
We try and fight but this wall's too high
Have we lost tonight?
But one second chance could change everything
([? -- I think this may be "these are bloody"] faces we hold in the fire)
(Open up the gates, but I don't ask why)
([?] faces we hold in the fire)
(The fire, the fire, the fire)
(And [?] faces we hold in the fire)
(Open up the gates, I don't ask why)
([?] faces we hold in the fire)
([?] it's time to sing)
We try and fight but this wall's too high
Have we lost tonight?
But one second chance could change everything
Could change everything
([?] faces we hold in the fire)
(Open up the gates, I don't ask why)
Change everything
([?] faces we hold in the fire)
([?] it's time to sing)
Have we lost this fight?
Lyrics:
I saw Abbey Hoffman's ghost in the distance
We got Saul Williams keeping up the resistance
And punk rock and blues music keeps on dying
We keep buying
Matt Stone and Trey Parker are taking over the mission
'Cause our politicians, they don't have a position
Who's to blame for this shallow existence
Our existence
We try and fight but this wall's too high
Have we lost tonight?
But one second chance could change everything
I think I'll go write my senator a letter
They just talk shit, they ain't gonna make nothing better
Me and them, we two birds of a feather
Of a feather
I'm counting on Chomsky, [? -- this is another name and sounds like it could be McMullen or McLuhen or something similar... I googled these names and couldn't find anything convincing me that either of those were right though]
Aldous Huxley and the intelligence here
And Cat Stevens, he got out and he ain't missing, yeah
And this overpriced and candy coated life
Does it fit you? Does it fit you?
We try and fight but this wall's too high
Have we lost tonight?
But one second chance could change everything
([? -- I think this may be "these are bloody"] faces we hold in the fire)
(Open up the gates, but I don't ask why)
([?] faces we hold in the fire)
(The fire, the fire, the fire)
(And [?] faces we hold in the fire)
(Open up the gates, I don't ask why)
([?] faces we hold in the fire)
([?] it's time to sing)
We try and fight but this wall's too high
Have we lost tonight?
But one second chance could change everything
Could change everything
([?] faces we hold in the fire)
(Open up the gates, I don't ask why)
Change everything
([?] faces we hold in the fire)
([?] it's time to sing)
Have we lost this fight?
-Josh
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hmmm i forget if i listened to lebo's river or not. the lyrics arent the greatest but i'm still going to have to listen to it
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i listened to it. man, the quasi-rap verses are ... painful to listen to. boo.
the chorus/non-verses aren't that bad, and i kind of like the instrumentation (including the handclaps), but honestly the lyrics make me cringe at some points. i see what he's trying to do and the point he's trying to make, but he comes off more as blatant and amaturish rather than... inspiring. or something.
raine should sing, not attempt to rap.
i hope he sticks in some melody in his other songs.
that is all.
the chorus/non-verses aren't that bad, and i kind of like the instrumentation (including the handclaps), but honestly the lyrics make me cringe at some points. i see what he's trying to do and the point he's trying to make, but he comes off more as blatant and amaturish rather than... inspiring. or something.
raine should sing, not attempt to rap.
i hope he sticks in some melody in his other songs.
that is all.
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