As I said "the protesters are terrorist supporters"
who stops to see who's holding a rally? seriously, i could make a public announcement that i was starting a protest for PETA, and thousands of PETA people would converge on a site and protest. they wouldn't know that i was a meat eating crazy, with 4 pairs leather boots and enough deer meat from hunting to feed a 3rd world country somewhere. they just want to get their voice heard, let them speak without you labeling every single one of them as an ally to terrorist. some might be, but are they the ones flying planes into buildings? no, they're just speaking their mind, no one has ever dies from the opinion of a protester. but many have died trying to speak their mind.
Whenever death may surprise us,
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
let it be welcome
if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear
and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.
Nobody's gonna miss me, no tears will fall, no ones gonna weap, when i hit that road.
my boots are broken my brain is sore, fer keepin' up with thier little world, i got a heavy load.
gonna leave 'em all just like before, i'm big city bound, your always 17 in your hometown
Exactly. People hear there is a protest against the war. They go because they're against the war. They don't look into the historical background of the people or person who initiated the rally. There's no time for that type of hesitation when you're against something.
The idea that it's impossible to be neutral is rather absurd. What happened on Sept 11 was horrible, and I certainly believe that. Yet, I don't believe dropping millions upon millions of dollars worth of bombs on people is the answer. According to you (and Bush), Venom, that makes me a terrorist. What Bush, and his followers have said implies that there are hundreds of millions of terrorists in this world, simply because they're against the war.
It's about time Bush and his boys realized that this "freedom" that they've given Iraqis, is also the same "freedom" that allows everyone to decide what is right and what is wrong for themselves, or on a grander scale, their country. Just because you don't hold the same beliefs does not mean you are the enemy. If that were the case, the US would be at war with at least a hundred different nations.
The idea that it's impossible to be neutral is rather absurd. What happened on Sept 11 was horrible, and I certainly believe that. Yet, I don't believe dropping millions upon millions of dollars worth of bombs on people is the answer. According to you (and Bush), Venom, that makes me a terrorist. What Bush, and his followers have said implies that there are hundreds of millions of terrorists in this world, simply because they're against the war.
It's about time Bush and his boys realized that this "freedom" that they've given Iraqis, is also the same "freedom" that allows everyone to decide what is right and what is wrong for themselves, or on a grander scale, their country. Just because you don't hold the same beliefs does not mean you are the enemy. If that were the case, the US would be at war with at least a hundred different nations.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
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Exactly. People hear there is a protest against the war. They go because they're against the war. They don't look into the historical background of the people or person who initiated the rally. There's no time for that type of hesitation when you're against something.
That is rather disturbing. These protests were planned months in advance. You're telling me these people didn't have the chance to see who was sponsoring them? I hardly think so. They are just so rabidly against war of any kind that they are apathetic. This is dangerous. It just shows you that these people don't do research on anything. I watched a couple interviews of some of these protesters and when they were asked basic questions on the war, etc they embarrassed themselves on their lack of knowledge.
According to you (and Bush), Venom, that makes me a terrorist. What Bush, and his followers have said implies that there are hundreds of millions of terrorists in this world, simply because they're against the war.
LOL here we go again. I NEVER said anyone against the war was a TERRORIST. I said these protesters made it appear that they were SUPPORTERS of the terrorists because of who sponsored and ran the protests. If you're against the War on Terrorism and/or the war in Iraq you are not a terrorist or a Hitler-esqe tyrant, but at the same time you are hypocritical because you don't support going to war when its necessary (which does cause death) and so you will allow these terrorist and tyrants to keep killing innocent people forever (which will cause far more death). The terrorists will not stop unless someone stops them.
Ok then, if you didn't say it, then Bush definitely did. He says you're either good or evil. Since his approval rating is now down below 50% it makes you wonder just how many are evil in your country doesn't it?
The fact is 3000 deaths in America. That's 1/3 the amount of civilians killed in Iraq. They lost their lives in your pursuit for "freedom". I would think these people would rather be alive. Two wrongs do not make a right. Bin Laden did that to you, not Iraq. Most people just find it pathetic that 9/11 continues to be used as a reason for this war on terrorism. It was a tragic event, but reality has to set in that this happens around the world everyday. It doesn't mean you should go spur more terroism.
The fact is 3000 deaths in America. That's 1/3 the amount of civilians killed in Iraq. They lost their lives in your pursuit for "freedom". I would think these people would rather be alive. Two wrongs do not make a right. Bin Laden did that to you, not Iraq. Most people just find it pathetic that 9/11 continues to be used as a reason for this war on terrorism. It was a tragic event, but reality has to set in that this happens around the world everyday. It doesn't mean you should go spur more terroism.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
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Ok then, if you didn't say it, then Bush definitely did. He says you're either good or evil.
A lot of coutries aren't with us. I have never heard Bush call France or Germany a terrorist state. 50% of Americans are against his way of dealing with Iraq, not the War on Terrorism. In regards to that the numbers are MUCH higher.
The fact is 3000 deaths in America. That's 1/3 the amount of civilians killed in Iraq.
400,000 have been found in mass graves in Iraq. They were killed by Saddam Hussein. Should we have just allowed him to keep killing more? I'm sure more will be uncovered before we leave.
It was a tragic event, but reality has to set in that this happens around the world everyday. It doesn't mean you should go spur more terroism.
So we should just pull back, be an isolationist state, and allow the terrorists to strike wherever and whenever they want without any consequences? Why do you want to allow them to kill innocent people in any country they choose? Why can't you see that they won't stop and how do you justify doing nothing? Maybe you wouldn't be so apathetic if it affected you on a very personal basis.
There isn't a country in the world that can prevent terrorism. You may think you can stop it but there will ALWAYS be people who will wish to strap bombs to themselves and walk into heavily populated areas. It's impossible to stop.
Why Iraq though? There are many other countries where attrocities are occuring. Since the USA is trying to grant "freedom" to the Iraqi people, they better darn well be going into dozens of other countries after that to help save those people as well. If they want to police the world then go for it. Don't stop at Iraq. If Bush is really trying to free people he needs to prove it, because so far, he hasn't.
What he has proven is that this war is about more than personal freedom. It's about Economic freedom. He wants Iraq open to the market. They have more to offer than any other country that has a population forced into oppression. If the people are free to spend money at the newly built starbucks than they will be happy.
What started this thread was your problem with protestors attending a rally set up by questionable individuals. That's what democracy and freedom allows. It allows uneducated people to have a voice. You cannot complain about a concept that your own country is promoting. You are a hypocrite.
Why Iraq though? There are many other countries where attrocities are occuring. Since the USA is trying to grant "freedom" to the Iraqi people, they better darn well be going into dozens of other countries after that to help save those people as well. If they want to police the world then go for it. Don't stop at Iraq. If Bush is really trying to free people he needs to prove it, because so far, he hasn't.
What he has proven is that this war is about more than personal freedom. It's about Economic freedom. He wants Iraq open to the market. They have more to offer than any other country that has a population forced into oppression. If the people are free to spend money at the newly built starbucks than they will be happy.
What started this thread was your problem with protestors attending a rally set up by questionable individuals. That's what democracy and freedom allows. It allows uneducated people to have a voice. You cannot complain about a concept that your own country is promoting. You are a hypocrite.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
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Venom i would refer you to www.nationofcool.com, hit the right side, and then journal, there's tons of interesting points there that you could use to help strengthen your debating skills, right now he's talking about Burma and Georgia. If you have anything you'd like to debate feel free to post it in this forum
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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What started this thread was your problem with protestors attending a rally set up by questionable individuals. That's what democracy and freedom allows. It allows uneducated people to have a voice. You cannot complain about a concept that your own country is promoting. You are a hypocrite.
Your getting as bad as Doug with putting words in my mouth. Did I ever said that they couldn't protest? Did I ever complain about the fact that they were protesting?? I fully agree with protests! I ONLY pointed out the fact of who they were protesting under and what it made them appear to be. The thing is is that those rallies weren't "free". They weren't free to parade around with a sign they created, or with their own message. They could only pick from a couple slogans. could only chant a couple sentances. Since when is that freedom? The only thing you had right in your whole post is that they were uneducated. I guess thats better than knowing who they were helping support with thier protest.
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Venom i would refer you to www.nationofcool.com, hit the right side, and then journal, there's tons of interesting points there that you could use to help strengthen your debating skills, right now he's talking about Burma and Georgia. If you have anything you'd like to debate feel free to post it in this forum
LOL I think its funny that you are criticizing my debating skills. If you got yours from there I'll stay as far away from that site as I can get. I don't like spinning peoples words and changing topics as you do.
ok first of all, Venom, i'm a highschool student who's never taken a deabting course. Secondly, i don't sit and devote myself to coming up with bulletproof statements, i just come here and comment. As for reading it, if your to close minded to read some well founded educated articles and sources, then so be it.
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
Most of it coming from the Fox website right?
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
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There isn't a country in the world that can prevent terrorism. You may think you can stop it but there will ALWAYS be people who will wish to strap bombs to themselves and walk into heavily populated areas. It's impossible to stop.
Terrorism breeds in poverty. The people of the middle east aren't allowed to educate themselves on the West. They are only taught that it is evil along with Israel. With democracy and a capitalist society people will be able to educate themselves on the truth and terrorism will be significantly reduced.
It doesn't breed in poverty. The Bin Laden's are one of the richest families in the middle east, yet Osama is the most wanted terrorist. Look at Tim McVeigh and the Washington area sniper shootings. Those were acts of terrorism and they occured in the worlds most prosperous country.
It's funny that we never hear of terrorism occuring in the Scandinavian countries, yet they have the most ideal way of life in the entire world.
It's funny that we never hear of terrorism occuring in the Scandinavian countries, yet they have the most ideal way of life in the entire world.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
maybe we shold give them a reason to like us then.....backing Israel even when it's wrong because we're all guilty about what happened to the Jew's doesn't help either. Really the Jews are being immature and greedy about this all....after all if someone just gave my country away as a pity present to someone else i'd be pretty pissed, esspecialy when the new government started oppressing me
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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maybe we shold give them a reason to like us then.....backing Israel even when it's wrong because we're all guilty about what happened to the Jew's doesn't help either. Really the Jews are being immature and greedy about this all....after all if someone just gave my country away as a pity present to someone else i'd be pretty pissed, esspecialy when the new government started oppressing me
The US gives the PLO plenty of money as well. That is often overlooked and instead people say we only support Israel. Thats not true. It was the US that drew up the "Roadmap" which the Palestinian terrorist's ruined! It was also Palestinians that attacked Israel first when Israel was grated a state. You cannot argue that Israel was the aggressor. I agree that some of their tactics are wrong, both sides need to calm down if peace is gonna come without a large war (which being the realist I am, I don't think can happen). Bush has tried hard for two states, but the Palestinians don't want an Israeli state and never have!
So Venom just wondering, why is it the Terrorist aren't going after the Scandinavian nations? They lead the best lives in the world. You would think they would be target number 1.
I can't wait until the day schools are over-funded and the military is forced to hold bake sales to buy planes.
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"
"It's a great thing when you realize you still have the ability to surprise yourself. Makes you wonder what else you can do that you've forgotten about"