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Naveeder Val wrote:but who cares about those labels?


Yeah, really! ok, they're an "alternative" band. Depending on who you ask, that covers everything from the lightest to the heaviest rock and/or pop. I don't care what they are...call them new age, I still love the music the make :nod:

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once again i don't think any of you are getting what i was saying, what i was saying had nothing to do with them being in a new section of the cd store, because you never really could put them in one catagory.......but i spose no one here gets what i mean.....or maybe the people that did are already gone...
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good

"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911

"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good

I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.

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what are you trying to get at dude?
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i mean, i'm trying talk about olp's deteriation, and missing the older stuff, but people keep getting worried about categories i used....all i mean in this, OLP is now MUCH MUCH more commercial, and i hate it
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good

"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911

"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good

I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.

"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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Keep in my mind dude that this is only album 6. Who know what the future holds for them.

And I think Fabio Is right about Emtee
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Axtech wrote:I miss the more intellectual side of the band.

I'm hoping that this next album is going to have the passionate rock that you're talking about.



they've already released a third of it.... and it doesnt seem to deep so far :cry:
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They might use other songs they have recorded. They have like 20 don't they?

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dont know... i havent been following them much at all lately. but lets hope so, i want new material for the cd. It's so much better when everything is a surprise.
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Jesus Christ, what a bunch of downers. You could at least give it a chance. Maybe these aren't the finished lyrics. Maybe it'll sound edgier and "more alternative" when it's recorded. Don't just jump to the conclusion that their new music sucks because you've heard a B+ quality bootleg on three or four new songs. The album's not even due out until January!!
The one thing, the most important thing that Our Lady Peace has taught me throughout my many years of listening. Throughout their past 5 albums, is that it's not about lyrical content, it's not about sweet little riffs, it's not about commercial succuess (as much as some of you seem to think). It's about the emotion behind the music. Go back to Naveed and Clumsy. The lyrics were more ambiguous, yes, I grant you that. But the emotion wasn't there except for a few, like Naveed and Superman's Dead and Clumsy and 4am. The lyrical content was there, but the emotion wasn't. When you say "they're dumbing down their lyrics as they progress" I see it as they're learning how to layer their songs in a multitude of emotions, that to me, makes the songs more enjoyable and listenable and memorable. Just today, I was listening to Walking In Circles on the bus, and at the chorus where it goes:
"It's a feeling that you know
A feeling that explodes
Feeling you are more
And more and more and more
And it's a feeling that you know
A feeling that explodes
A feeling you are more
And more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more"

I actually got mad! Not because the song sucks, or the lyrics suck. But because I could FEEL the emotion of the song, and how I interpreted it. You could sit back and interpret the emotions differently, and in that sense, the ambiguous nature of Raine's lyrics are still there, and perhaps stronger than ever. I think that as the band has evolved they've realized all of this. It's not about the message, it's about the emotion behind the message. With that said, I couldn't be happier with Happiness....., Spiritual Machines, Gravity, and the new stuff.
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yeah i miss old school olp. or even going back to the SM days would be glorious enough. they seem like a dream now.
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Who cares if they are alternative or rock or whatever else? Theyre still one of my favorite bands. And i like them just as much now as i ever did.
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Now, OLP isn't an original band that makes original music that they pretend to be anymore. I mean, their first 3 albums were 3 of my favorite albums ever. Their music was very original and you can listen to them over and over again and they still rock!!! When I first hear Gravity, I liked some of the songs at the beginning, but right now, I just can't stand them as much. Like most of you said, thier music is very very commercial now. OLP is nothing difference from bands like Matchbox 20 and those American commercial bands that makes albums to saleas much records as they can. Maybe it's Sony or Bob Rock's fault, but I still hope that sometimes, they can release a record that would sound like NAVEED!!!
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Clumsyboy wrote:once again i don't think any of you are getting what i was saying, what i was saying had nothing to do with them being in a new section of the cd store, because you never really could put them in one catagory.......but i spose no one here gets what i mean.....or maybe the people that did are already gone...


I know exacly what you're trying to say, and I know how you feel... it sucks. You're not alone, mate.

sandsleeper wrote:yeah i miss old school olp. or even going back to the SM days would be glorious enough. they seem like a dream now.


:nod: Right on, sand.

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i wasn't just referring to the new songs, i'm still holding out that it'll be great, but i've been listening to old olp alot, and certain live songs, and i miss it, i loved where they were going, i loved Our Lady Peace, now they're turning into something diffrent, as i've said in other threads there's songs on the old albums that would never even be considered on a new one, because they're waaaay to out there, or risky.....like i said, most of the people that see it the way i do have already ditched olp, i still love them though and hold out hope, and everynow and then i still see that old passion coming through.
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good

"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911

"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good

I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.

"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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would bob rock ever let Under Zenith or Car crash, or Annie, or Hope come out now? i doubt it, and some of those are the most passionate songs olp puts out, it isn't lyrics that mean it all to me, and it isn't just the music, but everything seems to be dumbing down, and commercializing, ask any fan of another rock band, and they probably don't consider OLP to be a rocking band anymore, theyr'e a soft-rocking band, or a pop-rocking band, or a band with high ambitions, but no follow through. Seriously, could you see anyone into Clumsy, Naveed, and harsher music ever enjoying new olp?
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good

"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911

"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good

I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.

"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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really, with Naveed, Robert Plant said they were the best new rock act out there, and they were compared to Led Zep and tons of other legends, now that they're trying to sound like Zep and Metalica they actually end up sounding like what? American hi-fi? Matchbox 20? 3 doors down? Just do your own thing guys
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good

"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911

"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good

I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.

"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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Clumsyboy wrote:would bob rock ever let Under Zenith or Car crash, or Annie, or Hope come out now? i doubt it, and some of those are the most passionate songs olp puts out, it isn't lyrics that mean it all to me, and it isn't just the music, but everything seems to be dumbing down, and commercializing, ask any fan of another rock band, and they probably don't consider OLP to be a rocking band anymore, theyr'e a soft-rocking band, or a pop-rocking band, or a band with high ambitions, but no follow through. Seriously, could you see anyone into Clumsy, Naveed, and harsher music ever enjoying new olp?


First of all, I don't think Bob Rock really decides what comes out. Granted, he may change the sound a little bit, but if OLP writes a song that they really love (be it Under Zenith, Car Crash, Annie, or some of the newer type stuff) it will "come out." Will it have the exact sound it had when they first wrote it? Probably not. But that would be the case regardless of who was producing...even if OLP themselves were producing!

You use the word "commercializing" a bit. I'm not exactly sure what you mean. I realize that when most people say that a band is "commercializing" they are not using that word in a positive way. However, I really do not see what is wrong with it. To me, "commercializing" just means writing songs that are more likely to be played on the radio, TV, etc. This change can be a purposeful one, but I also think that it could be the natural evolution of a band. Some people are bound to like the change, while others are not, regardless of exactly what that change is.

You said earlier that the exact genre OLP are put into doesn't matter. But then (above) you claim that "theyr'e a soft-rocking band, or a pop-rocking band" and it seems clear to me that you are using these terms in a derogatory way and not just stating what you think they are.

To answer your last question about if I could see anyone likeing new OLP stuff who likes Naveed and Clumsy yes I can! In fact, I enjoy every OLP album Naveed through Live and I love the unreleased stuff as well! You also asked if people who like "harsher music" would like the new OLP. I'm taking "harsher" to mean heavier...please correct me if I'm wrong there. I'm a fan of Meshuggah, for example, who I consider to be quite heavy (If you need a longer list of "harsher" bands that I like, just let me know) and as I said before, I love the new stuff from OLP.

Now, please feel free to correct me and tell me how I misinterpreted everything you said.

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It's just coincidence that oil men will wage war in an oil rich land
And this one goes out to my man taking cover in the trenches with a gun in his hand
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\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0evanw60 wrote:Go back to Naveed and Clumsy. The lyrics were more ambiguous, yes, I grant you that. But the emotion wasn't there except for a few



Unfortunately this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard from an OLP fan.... although the rest of their post was a bit better....
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Lando wrote:
evanw60 wrote:Go back to Naveed and Clumsy. The lyrics were more ambiguous, yes, I grant you that. But the emotion wasn't there except for a few



Unfortunately this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard from an OLP fan.... although the rest of their post was a bit better....


What's this? I've displeased you!? Oh, well then, I retract everything I've ever said that you've disagreed with. Oh wait, too bad it's my opinion and it doesn't really matter if you agree or not. Do you enjoy criticising people who have their own opinions that differ from yours? Well, thankyou for your kind words anyway.

To me, Naveed and Clumsy seem a bit empty on the emotional side. I listen to those two the least out of them all (although still a lot) and I find that from Happiness.... on, there's a lot more emotion behind the music. You may not agree, but in my opinion, Gravity has the most emotion behind the music, and I'm proud of the guys for making it. They've said it was an album they've wanted to make for a long time, and I believe them.

My favourite song is in fact Naveed, with Superman's Dead and Clumsy a close second. However, the rest of the songs on those cd's just seem devoid of emotion to me. And if they have emotion, that's great, but it's nowhere near the same level that it is now, in my opinion. That's probably why I love hearing bootlegs of them performing old songs, because they put more power into it now, more emotion.

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Lando wrote:
evanw60 wrote:Go back to Naveed and Clumsy. The lyrics were more ambiguous, yes, I grant you that. But the emotion wasn't there except for a few



Unfortunately this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard from an OLP fan.... although the rest of their post was a bit better....


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