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yes ok economies do fluctuate, but they do not slump at such a rapid decline. if they do there's obviously something wrong w/ how the country is running their country. and it doesn't help that Bush went to war and dug an even deeper hole in america's economy. now they're in millions of dollars in debt.

but that's not the main reason i don't like Bush. the main reason is is that he's blurring the line between the separation of church and state. he's against the right for gay/lesbians to marry publically calling them "sinners" i mean america is a democracy not a theocracy. he's also against abortion rights, etc. he's turning the states back to the middle ages

i do not think a surplus in the coffers of the state is any way to show positive economic progress.

let me assure you, there is very little the state can do that will positively effect the market, in fact, nearly nothing. clinton, bush, gore, whoever, none of these men can manipulate the free market in any other way but <b>down</b>.

and please, while i'm no fan of w, he didn't call homosexuals "sinners", he said "we're all sinners". by that same clever media logic, we could construe a quote from him calling every minority group a sinners.

what, heh, you have to realize is that gwb is not alone in his view of homosexuality. in fact, the majority of americans feel the same way. that's why clinton didn't move on it either.

your o-so-perfect democracy is what prevents homosexuals from marriage. not the president. and, according the moral subjectivism that comes with democracy, if the majority of citizens believe homosexuality is wrong, it is.

blue eyed soul wrote:i do not think a surplus in the coffers of the state is any way to show positive economic progress.

let me assure you, there is very little the state can do that will positively effect the market, in fact, nearly nothing. clinton, bush, gore, whoever, none of these men can manipulate the free market in any other way but <b>down</b>.

Not true. As the president, the guy's in a postion to avoid war, use carefully planned economic regulations to foster a competitive economic environment, encourage trade arrangements with other countries, etc etc etc. There's a lot of ways a government can help the economy.

war does get the economy going.

it creates jobs, and therefore people are making money to put back into the economy which renews it. this does not happen over a short period of time, nor did i say that it did. i haven't said that it would happen overnight, i just said that it will happen.

thats how the world works kid, and theres nothing you can do to change it.

dont be stoopid. bush is a bigot an war monger and rides the economy like some kinda steer down in texas

narbus - government is inherently unhealthy to the economy. every dollar they spend would be better spent by the free market.

regulations, while in theory may appear to correct certain, uhm, less then ideal circumstances created by the market, in practice often end up being applied in a fashion not intended which have drastic consequences.

as a libertarian, i'm sure you'd agree that the record breaking spending by clinton and bush have not been very beneficial to the economy

dan - even if war <i>did</i> stimulate the economy in the past, the fact is, it <i>isn't</i> now. have you seen the forecasting by the experts? we're in the shitter and we're going to be that way for a looooong time.

like i said, its not an overnight change

and yea, i love it how people always blame the president for the economy, when actually, WE control the economy as consumers to a pretty big extent

an unregulated economy is the best kind.

good point. unfortunately, we don't live in an unregulated economy and most likely never will.

see you can equate the CM to the american govt in the same way

theres a few people with the power and they hold it over everyone and do as they please. ironic isnt it?

thats not true. and if you dont like the way the cm is being run, the fucking leave. please. we dont like you.

lol
theres a few people who dont like me

you think i care?

BloodRayn wrote:theres a lot of people who dont like me

fixed

hehe.

yea it said theres a few people

lol, everyone on this board is a hypocrite, its so funny

did you guys hear that? we're all fucking hypocrites.

sweet

someone needs to create a "fucking hypocrite club." then we'll all join it.

yes!

yep, you should all join it