I swear I knew this, and that it is commonly accepted. Maybe it's a Mormon thing. I don't really know. But we don't think he was born at Christmas...we just celebrate cause that's when everyone else does it too.It does not say that Jesus was not born, infact it probably supports it more in the show then otherwise, but proves that the Biblical texts are incorrect on many issues. He was born sometime in April the estimated.
God raised Jesus from the dead (mathematically proven!)
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Henrietta
yeah i knew that part. But this show was proving that the real date was incorrect aswell. I just can't remember when it was. It said that if he was really born in that region, it was in early april.
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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Joe Cooler
Miracles by defintion are impossible. If an event, no matter how extraordinary, can be explained by scientific or natural law, it is not a miracle. Miracles exist outside natural law. They are only made possible through divine intervention.I AM ME wrote:
But 90% of the reason i beleive that it didn't happen is because i believe ressurection to be immposible. Scientifically so. Or at least such technologies will not be developed anytime soon, or even in the near future, and certainly not then.
You'd be wrong on this account. No where in the Bible will you find the actual date Jesus was born on or even the month. It simply says that Jesus was born during the time of King Herod.In a completly pointless other point because i doubt i can back it up with sources. I recently saw a documentary that proved through astronomy and other science that Jesus was not infact born when the Bible says he was. It does t his by using facts from the Bible, and then prove that it can not have happened. It does not say that Jesus was not born, infact it probably supports it more in the show then otherwise, but proves that the Biblical texts are incorrect on many issues. He was born sometime in April the estimated.
The idea that this documentry "proves Biblical texts are incorrect" is ridiculous. If it does not even recognize that the Bible says nothing a date, then I'd seriously question every other claim it made.
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Joe Cooler
He was also born more than 2005 years ago. Christmas actually originated from a pagan holiday. I think Christians borrowed some of the ideas of the holiday, and the time of the year that it was celebrated, to try to get people who didn't want to give up that holiday to convert to Christianity.I AM ME wrote:In a completly pointless other point because i doubt i can back it up with sources. I recently saw a documentary that proved through astronomy and other science that Jesus was not infact born when the Bible says he was. It does t his by using facts from the Bible, and then prove that it can not have happened. It does not say that Jesus was not born, infact it probably supports it more in the show then otherwise, but proves that the Biblical texts are incorrect on many issues. He was born sometime in April the estimated.
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"The fundamental thing about music is its destiny to be broadcast or shared." -Colin Greenwood of Radiohead
Joe Cooler wrote:I AM ME wrote:
You'd be wrong on this account. No where in the Bible will you find the actual date Jesus was born on or even the month. It simply says that Jesus was born during the time of King Herod.
The idea that this documentry "proves Biblical texts are incorrect" is ridiculous. If it does not even recognize that the Bible says nothing a date, then I'd seriously question every other claim it made.
Yeah that's the problem, it's a program that i saw last Christmas on The Discovery Network. I only vaguely remember it, so i'm not doing it any justice. I'll see if i can look it up. All i remember is that they said Jesus Christ could have been born, but it was in spring and not on the date they thought. Perhaps they were saying it coudln't have been during the time of King Herod
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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happening fish
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faninor wrote:He was also born more than 2005 years ago. Christmas actually originated from a pagan holiday. I think Christians borrowed some of the ideas of the holiday, and the time of the year that it was celebrated, to try to get people who didn't want to give up that holiday to convert to Christianity.
a ton of things are like that, including church on sunday instead of on the sabbath like in the jewish tradition. it's shameless.awkward is the new cool
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Joe Cooler
Perhaps, but I doubt it. Whether Jesus was born during the reign of Herod the great has been an issue for archeologists for quite some time. Why? Because the original census that brought Mary and Joseph to Bethlehem was conducted by Quirinius who began ruling in 6 A.D. Herod the great died in 4 A.D, thus it appears that there is a major discrepancy in dates. However, various archeologists have noted that Quirinius actually may have ruled on two seperate occasions. His first term in rule would have coincided with the life of Herod, thus proving that Jesus was infact born under the Rule of Herod. It should also be noted that Luke's text (the book mentioning Jesus' birth under Herod) can be translated to read "The census took place before Quirinius was governing Syria."I AM ME wrote:Joe Cooler wrote:I AM ME wrote:
You'd be wrong on this account. No where in the Bible will you find the actual date Jesus was born on or even the month. It simply says that Jesus was born during the time of King Herod.
The idea that this documentry "proves Biblical texts are incorrect" is ridiculous. If it does not even recognize that the Bible says nothing a date, then I'd seriously question every other claim it made.
Yeah that's the problem, it's a program that i saw last Christmas on The Discovery Network. I only vaguely remember it, so i'm not doing it any justice. I'll see if i can look it up. All i remember is that they said Jesus Christ could have been born, but it was in spring and not on the date they thought. Perhaps they were saying it coudln't have been during the time of King Herod
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Joe Cooler
Church is on Sunday because Jesus is said to have rose on Sunday, not because early Christians wanted to override the Sabbath. Geez guys, be careful what you assume.happening fish wrote:faninor wrote:He was also born more than 2005 years ago. Christmas actually originated from a pagan holiday. I think Christians borrowed some of the ideas of the holiday, and the time of the year that it was celebrated, to try to get people who didn't want to give up that holiday to convert to Christianity.
I thought Herod died in like 4 BC.Joe Cooler wrote:Whether Jesus was born during the reign of Herod the great has been an issue for archeologists for quite some time. Why? Because the original census that brought Mary and Joseph to Bethlehem was conducted by Quirinius who began ruling in 6 A.D. Herod the great died in 4 A.D, thus it appears that there is a major discrepancy in dates.
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I <3 Kiwi
"The fundamental thing about music is its destiny to be broadcast or shared." -Colin Greenwood of Radiohead
I <3 Kiwi
"The fundamental thing about music is its destiny to be broadcast or shared." -Colin Greenwood of Radiohead
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Joe Cooler
He did. That was a mistake/typo on my part.faninor wrote:I thought Herod died in like 4 BC.Joe Cooler wrote:Whether Jesus was born during the reign of Herod the great has been an issue for archeologists for quite some time. Why? Because the original census that brought Mary and Joseph to Bethlehem was conducted by Quirinius who began ruling in 6 A.D. Herod the great died in 4 A.D, thus it appears that there is a major discrepancy in dates.
Joe Cooler wrote:Church is on Sunday because Jesus is said to have rose on Sunday, not because early Christians wanted to override the Sabbath. Geez guys, be careful what you assume.happening fish wrote:faninor wrote:He was also born more than 2005 years ago. Christmas actually originated from a pagan holiday. I think Christians borrowed some of the ideas of the holiday, and the time of the year that it was celebrated, to try to get people who didn't want to give up that holiday to convert to Christianity.
As far as i know, it was held on Sundays due to Sabbath, perhaps Jesus' rose comment was because he was a Jew.
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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happening fish
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Joe Cooler
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happening fish
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actually Alex is right on this one
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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Joe Cooler
hmmm she might be doing the same thing, but i'll look it up if she isn't.
"How can we justify spending so much on destruction and so little on life?" Matthew Good
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
"The white dove is gone, the one world has come down hard, so why not share the pain of our problems, when all around are wrong ways, when all around is hurt, i'll roll up in an odd shape and wait, untill the tide has turned.....with anger, i'm dead weight, i'm anchored"- IME, God Rocket (Into the Heart of Las Vegas) ^ Some say this song is about a terrorists thoughts before 911
"Pray for the sheep" Matt Good
"But it's alright, take the world and make it yours again" Matt Good
I felt it in the wind, and i saw it in the sky, i thought it was the end, i thought it was the 4th of July.
"Hold on, hold on children, your mother and father are leaving, hold on, hold on children your best freind's parents are leaving, leaving,.......*AHHH*! " - Death From Above - Black History Month
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Joe Cooler
I did read it again and I still think what you said suggests otherwise. Regardless it's clear that we are arguing completely different things. My bad.happening fish wrote:I didn't say it was an attempt to replace the Sabbath. Go read that again.
We're talking about how it was an attempt to replace existing pagan practices with the purpose of overriding and deleting them from people's consciousness.